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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:49:59 +0100 From: Dave <mrx@...pergander.org.uk> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: new law proposal on EU against hacking tools and practices -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/04/2012 17:43, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote: > On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:06:24 -0400, Travis Biehn said: > >> 'Clear purpose for committing any of the offenses' is usually easy to prove. > > Say I'm heading to Munich for a pen-testing gig, complete with a signed contract > and rules of engagement and a get-out-of-jail-free from their CISO. > > How do you "usually easy to prove" that I have Metasploit "for the clear purpose > of committing any of the offenses"? You got evidence of me using Metasploit > on machines not covered by my contract? You got e-mails or IM logs or anything > like that saying I intend to do it? > > (Compare and contrast this to at least one previous draft, where they didn't > have to show "clear purpose" - mere possession was sufficient. Consider > that distinction as it applies to a professional pen-tester....) Or noobs like me who are not professional pentesters and only hit our own machines/VM's/network devices in the course of self training. Like having a tool kit in my car doesn't mean I am going prepared to commit burglary. Innocent until proven guilty has worked quite well in the past. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEVAwUBT4MvV7Ivn8UFHWSmAQKWGQf/Z7NO8mU29NVi5U5Rx0Aixb+ZVv90oAXd sz9mgbysKKztc/hTGSOAPdEdSML//YMzcIUALBKnDZjsqUWfJQzUoJG0ZAvO+H+k ck7rpnLB6veFPqVmPKofjD/zf9tPlvveRbX/hBW9uMB/yrxEmd1/8gYonZOfwlST DUPVu/ut5MaqIoDHsrBExhWhgW0fX7IUTVRuzyeOww1f9v2Kwtaby5XDEUws480Z Dhp9Tjk13WOOXCge4SjvZXfJ1FpGzDfwHBtD/iJs2x7vdqgGqfF2Oyc2gVfv85tz T3vACeMS7L2QnIb4vQnk7vrpt3S5mGLqx0OjzZwsODdRjGzPZpCNkQ== =QcF9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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