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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:38:22 -0400 From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran On 6/8/12 3:33 PM, James Condron wrote: > Aaaaaand now we degenerate into a political argument nobody but the poster gives a fuck about. > > Ta for that, maybe take it elsewhere. Let's keep on topic (though we may be several posts behind) > > Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bzzz <lazyvirus@....com> > Sender: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:03:51 > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks > Against Iran > > On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:36:07 -0400 > Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote: > >> Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I >> damn well earned my right to complain about how broken the system >> is, myself and the soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could >> all have a free country and that yes I could "whine" about it. Its >> called the US Constitution, we took an oath to uphold and defend >> it and everything it stands for. > And in 10 years you didn't understood how the system is working, > that you were following orders from people that won't ever take > any risk (nor their family & friends), that are themselves receiving > their orders from big money/business/poliotics you'll never see on > tv nor in any newspaper. > >> So while I'm saying here that the civil liberties I swore to >> uphold and defend are eroding away and that evil is triumphing >> over the US, you are telling me this is business as usual. > You are not lucid, your country has _always_ been a rat lab where > masters tell you that you're free, but dig a (tiny) bit and you'll > see that's always been a big fat lie (ie: you pay income taxes? > but the 19th amendment has never been ratified - and your own > justice is enforcing sanctions if you don't pay, knowing what they > do is totally illegal...) > >> Just because something evil is the established way of things or is >> becoming the established way of things doesn't mean we have to or >> should accept it. Perhaps *you* should stop being so cold and >> jaded about the evils of the world and put some you know *effort* >> into fixing them instead of trying to shout down anyone who tries >> or talks about trying to make the world better. > I think he's living in a real world and look at it coldly & without > any indulgence. > >> You are honestly implying that there is absolutely nothing that >> can ever be done ever and we should all just lie down and take it, >> can you understand why I might take issue with that perspective? >> You are saying in essence "There is no more room to improve so we >> should never again try." > Thor missed one thing though: he said "people are doing things for 2 > reasons; get laid or get paid", there are 2 more reasons: for fun > and for ideals; the latest being the most dangerous thing in the > whole world. > > Jean-Yves Thank you, lets now discuss how infosec experts are going to deal with the threat of state sponsored cyberwarfare, and "bend over and take it" is not really a good answer. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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