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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:02:20 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: Peter Ferrie <peter.ferrie@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office Excel 2010 memory corruption

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Peter Ferrie <peter.ferrie@...il.com> wrote:
>>> No, it costs a lot of time and money to fix even one issue.
>>> We don't want to waste it on something that isn't exploitable.
>> There are at least four problems with this argument. First, the
>> argument basically says "defective software is OK."
>
> You've interpreted "don't want to waste it" as "won't fix it",
> extended it to suggest that it's an acceptable response, and then
> proceeded to attack that conclusion.
> Do you call the fire brigade if you see the smoke from a candle?
> No, but you might get someone in eventually to clean the soot from the ceiling.
Secure is an immigrant property of the system
(http://www.mail-archive.com/sc-l@securecoding.org/msg03639.html). How
can the program be secure if its not even stable?

Worst, its CompSci 101 mistakes - lack of parameter validation and
failure to check return values - and not some clever attack. To add
insult to injury, compiler warning, static analysis and dynamic
analysis will often report the issues but they are not used or
ignored.

Jeff

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