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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:43:03 +0300
From: Julius Kivimäki <julius.kivimaki@...il.com>
To: noloader@...il.com
Cc: Full Disclosure List <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cryptography] Paypal phish using EV
	certificate

Undoubtedly a case of untrained staff and pre-written email responses.


2013/8/13 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>

> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Julius Kivimäki
> <julius.kivimaki@...il.com> wrote:
> > All of the domains involved just happen to be registered on markmonitor
> by
> > PayPal. Really doubt this has anything to do with phishing.
> According to http://www.linuxevolution.net/?p=12 (referenced in the
> original email), Paypal stated the site "paypal-communication.com" was
> a phishing site.
>
> > 2013/8/13 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
> >>
> >> It looks like Paypal has suffered a break-in and phishing attempts are
> >> being made on its users.
> >>
> >> Time to sell you stock (or buy it short) for the immediate future.
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
> >> Date: Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [cryptography] Paypal phish using EV certificate
> >> To: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@...auckland.ac.nz>
> >> Cc: cryptography@...dombit.net
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gutmann
> >> <pgut001@...auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> >> > I recently got a another of the standard phishing emails for Paypal,
> >> > directing
> >> > me to https://email-edg.paypal.com, which redirects to
> >> > https://view.paypal-communication.com, which has a PayPal EV
> certificate
> >> > from
> >> > Verisign.  According to this post
> >> > http://www.onelogin.com/a-paypal-phishing-attack/ it may or may not
> be a
> >> > phishing attack (no-one's really sure), and this post
> >> > http://www.linuxevolution.net/?p=12 says it is a phishing attack and
> the
> >> > site
> >> > will be shut down by Paypal... back in May 2011.
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone explain this?  It's either a really clever phish (or the
> CAs
> >> > are
> >> > following their historically lax levels of checking), or Paypal has
> >> > joined the
> >> > ranks of US banks in training their users to become phishing victims.
> >> If that's true, I think the more interesting fact is: it appears
> >> email-edg.paypal.com is controlled by the attacker. Why else would
> >> Paypal redirect from a host in their domain to a host not in their
> >> domain controlled by the adversary? (Its a bit different than standard
> >> phishing training where both hosts/domains are controlled by Paypal).
> >>
> >> Has Paypal fess'ed up to any break-ins or  breaches?
>

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