Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:35:20 +0530
From: gold flake <ptinstructor@...il.com>
To: Źmicier Januszkiewicz <gauri@....by>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: EE BrightBox router hacked - bares all if you
 ask nicely

May be off-topic but your rant got me wondering as to way suddenly
nationalities are brought into picture when bad coding/security practices,
etc, are being discussed. Is it really the culture of these countries (you
mentioned India, Pakistan and China) that encourages slip-shod,
corner-cutting work methodology that is to blame or is it something else?
If something else, then why bring nationalities into the secure development
debate? Or do we reserve Britishers to be labeled only as
pedophiles<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25746859>and very good
programers (just as an example)?  I think what you are trying
to say is that it is the fault of the industry to push bad products on a
public that does not know enough to care about.




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Źmicier Januszkiewicz <gauri@....by> wrote:

> > Absolutely shocking lack of security considerations.
>
> Is it, really? I've got a feeling that companies don't give a s--t
> about your data, your privacy, and so on (proved by numerous examples
> out there), unless absolutely required to do so by law, and there is a
> good reason behind that. It is not a charity fund, you see; a company
> is all about money, even if they state otherwise via their "motto" or
> "mission", and as we all know, a dollar saved is a dollar earned... So
> they try to get it working by hiring 1-2
> Chinese/Indian/Pakistan/Younameit techies (not because they are bad at
> what they do, but because they are cheap), and squeeze them until the
> stuff is working somewhat. And that's it! Then those who made it work
> are fired, and another group with even thinner payslip is hired for
> "support". Note that at no point any emphasis on security of the
> product is made -- a company is not interested in spending more money,
> and workers are not interested in spending their life without any
> compensation.
>
> Why a company is not interested? Just some simple calculations anyone
> can do: having a working device/service/whatever brings in paying
> customers, having a secure device/service/whatever brings in expenses.
> So, we get the usual "sorry, we have no budget for that!" reply even
> if one asks for a security review.
>
> And then, see, even if your company manages to produce a "highly
> secure" device/service by hiring N brilliant minds and paying a
> 5-digit/mo each of them, then magic happens -- the cost of the end
> product is so high nobody buys it! Surprise! Will you pay 300 pounds
> more for something that does the same, but claims to be "secure"? No.
> Will a punter pay 300 pounds more for that? Hell no. Just as simple as
> that.
>
> I do find it amusing as people get "shocked" by such a simple thing...
>
>
> 2014/1/16 Dan Ballance <tzewang.dorje@...il.com>:
> > What a great write up and what an appalling mess for a UK ISP to be in in
> > 2014. Absolutely shocking lack of security considerations. Thanks for
> > sharing this. I've just followed you on Twitter as well,
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Dan.
> >
> >
> > On 15 January 2014 20:28, Scott Helme <scotthelme@...mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The BrightBox router is the standard equipment issued by UK ISP
> Everything
> >> Everywhere (EE) to its subscribers.
> >>
> >> The device not only leaks sensitive data but is remotely exploitable
> too.
> >> An attacker even has the ability to take control of your account as the
> >> router leaks your ISP account credentials.
> >>
> >> You can read the full article here:
> >> https://scotthelme.co.uk/ee-brightbox-router-hacked/
> >>
> >> Scott.
> >>
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