Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 18:13:12 -0400
From: Mike Cramer <mike.cramer@...look.com>
To: "'Justin Bull'" <me@...tinbull.ca>
Cc: fulldisclosure@...lists.org
Subject: Re: [FD] TrueCrypt?

I think it’s more important to have rational discussions. This isn’t the first time Microsoft has been ‘rumored’ to have backdoors in Windows for the US Government. These rumors have been perpetuated for years. While I don’t know how long you’ve been in the industry, it’s something I recall even being 14 years old and sitting on IRC and having people discuss.

 

The reality now, just as then, is that these are unsubstantiated.

 

A more apt description about the cooperation between the US Government and Microsoft I think falls back onto our old pals “Alice and Bob”. I’m sure you may recall these names from any sort of discussion about PKI.

 

What people seem to forget in all of these discussions is that Microsoft is Bob. (Microsoft Bob? :P)

 

No amount of encryption, protection, secret keying is going to protect you when one party is going to hand over the information to 3rd parties to review.

 

Based on my Alice and Bob comment above, it’s reasonable to assume that the encryption itself is 100% fine, so as long as you believe that Bob will never divulge the information you’ve disclosed.

 

Through all of these discussions surrounding Bitlocker across multiple forums nobody has brought up the fact that Bitlocker in Windows 8 allows you to store recovery key information in OneDrive/”The Cloud”. Why bother writing in backdoors to the software when the keys are readily available with a warrant?

 

There are a million and one ways to get access to the information and the absolutely most difficult, most costly, and most potentially damaging is the one people are jumping to first.

 

If it were ever revealed that Microsoft purposefully weakened its encryption systems to allow the NSA access to any Windows device, then it would be the end of the organization. They’re just not that dumb.

 

Mike

 

From: Justin Bull [mailto:me@...tinbull.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 18:02
To: Mike Cramer
Cc: fulldisclosure@...lists.org; secuip
Subject: RE: [FD] TrueCrypt?

 

Closed source and Microsoft is notoriously known to play ball with LEO and government. It's an ill-fitting shoe. 

Sent from mobile. 

On May 29, 2014 5:47 PM, "Mike Cramer" <mike.cramer@...look.com <mailto:mike.cramer@...look.com> > wrote:

What is careless about recommending Bitlocker?

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From: Fulldisclosure [mailto:fulldisclosure-bounces@...lists.org <mailto:fulldisclosure-bounces@...lists.org> ] On Behalf Of Justin Bull
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 17:18
To: secuip
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Subject: Re: [FD] TrueCrypt?

But why go out in that style? Why not be frank? Why be so careless as to recommend BitLocker?

The diff was meticulous but the website and comms were not. It doesn't add up.

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On May 29, 2014 5:13 PM, "secuip" <root@...uip.fr <mailto:root@...uip.fr> > wrote:

> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/05/true-goodbye-using-
> truecrypt-is-not-secure/comment-page-1/#comment-255908
>
>
> Le 29/05/2014 22:51, uname -a a écrit :
>
>> There are several strange behaviors.
>>
>> Sitesource is not clean. Just a html that say take now Bitlocker or
>> other built-in tools of your OS !?
>>
>> New Keys got added to SF 3h before release of 7.2 happened.
>>
>> On SF the old versions got removed. For older Versions you've to
>> download them elsewhere (there are several sources available).
>>
>> Encryption, Help and all traces to truecrypt.org <http://truecrypt.org>  got removed in the
>> Programsource.
>>
>> No explanation for this anywhere. Just speculations.
>>
>> Truecrypt isn't available on the webarchive!
>>
>> The Wiki got editet massively.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 29.05.2014 04:21, schrieb Anthony Fontanez:
>>
>>> I'm surprised I haven't seen any discussion about the recent issues
>>> with TrueCrypt.  Links to current discussions follow.
>>>
>>> /r/sysadmin: http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/26pxol/
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>>> /r/netsec: http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/26pz9b/
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