Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 15:09:49 +0000
From: Chris Schmidt <chris.schmidt@...trastsecurity.com>
To: Mike Cramer <mike.cramer@...look.com>, 'Justin Bull' <me@...tinbull.ca>
Cc: "fulldisclosure@...lists.org" <fulldisclosure@...lists.org>
Subject: Re: [FD] TrueCrypt?

Regarding your final statement here, I seem to recall it being reported a
little company called RSA allowed NSA backdooring and I¹m pretty sure they
are far from Out-Of-Business. Claiming that giants like MS would go out of
business if it got out that they were working with the NSA is completely
naïve. 

On 5/29/14, 4:13 PM, "Mike Cramer" <mike.cramer@...look.com> wrote:

>I think it¹s more important to have rational discussions. This isn¹t the
>first time Microsoft has been Œrumored¹ to have backdoors in Windows for
>the US Government. These rumors have been perpetuated for years. While I
>don¹t know how long you¹ve been in the industry, it¹s something I recall
>even being 14 years old and sitting on IRC and having people discuss.
>
> 
>
>The reality now, just as then, is that these are unsubstantiated.
>
> 
>
>A more apt description about the cooperation between the US Government
>and Microsoft I think falls back onto our old pals ³Alice and Bob². I¹m
>sure you may recall these names from any sort of discussion about PKI.
>
> 
>
>What people seem to forget in all of these discussions is that Microsoft
>is Bob. (Microsoft Bob? :P)
>
> 
>
>No amount of encryption, protection, secret keying is going to protect
>you when one party is going to hand over the information to 3rd parties
>to review.
>
> 
>
>Based on my Alice and Bob comment above, it¹s reasonable to assume that
>the encryption itself is 100% fine, so as long as you believe that Bob
>will never divulge the information you¹ve disclosed.
>
> 
>
>Through all of these discussions surrounding Bitlocker across multiple
>forums nobody has brought up the fact that Bitlocker in Windows 8 allows
>you to store recovery key information in OneDrive/²The Cloud². Why bother
>writing in backdoors to the software when the keys are readily available
>with a warrant?
>
> 
>
>There are a million and one ways to get access to the information and the
>absolutely most difficult, most costly, and most potentially damaging is
>the one people are jumping to first.
>
> 
>
>If it were ever revealed that Microsoft purposefully weakened its
>encryption systems to allow the NSA access to any Windows device, then it
>would be the end of the organization. They¹re just not that dumb.
>
> 
>
>Mike
>
> 
>
>From: Justin Bull [mailto:me@...tinbull.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 18:02
>To: Mike Cramer
>Cc: fulldisclosure@...lists.org; secuip
>Subject: RE: [FD] TrueCrypt?
>
> 
>
>Closed source and Microsoft is notoriously known to play ball with LEO
>and government. It's an ill-fitting shoe.
>
>Sent from mobile. 
>
>On May 29, 2014 5:47 PM, "Mike Cramer" <mike.cramer@...look.com
><mailto:mike.cramer@...look.com> > wrote:
>
>What is careless about recommending Bitlocker?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fulldisclosure [mailto:fulldisclosure-bounces@...lists.org
><mailto:fulldisclosure-bounces@...lists.org> ] On Behalf Of Justin Bull
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 17:18
>To: secuip
>Cc: fulldisclosure@...lists.org <mailto:fulldisclosure@...lists.org>
>Subject: Re: [FD] TrueCrypt?
>
>But why go out in that style? Why not be frank? Why be so careless as to
>recommend BitLocker?
>
>The diff was meticulous but the website and comms were not. It doesn't
>add up.
>
>Sent from mobile.
>On May 29, 2014 5:13 PM, "secuip" <root@...uip.fr <mailto:root@...uip.fr>
>> wrote:
>
>> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/05/true-goodbye-using-
>> truecrypt-is-not-secure/comment-page-1/#comment-255908
>>
>>
>> Le 29/05/2014 22:51, uname -a a écrit :
>>
>>> There are several strange behaviors.
>>>
>>> Sitesource is not clean. Just a html that say take now Bitlocker or
>>> other built-in tools of your OS !?
>>>
>>> New Keys got added to SF 3h before release of 7.2 happened.
>>>
>>> On SF the old versions got removed. For older Versions you've to
>>> download them elsewhere (there are several sources available).
>>>
>>> Encryption, Help and all traces to truecrypt.org
>>><http://truecrypt.org>  got removed in the
>>> Programsource.
>>>
>>> No explanation for this anywhere. Just speculations.
>>>
>>> Truecrypt isn't available on the webarchive!
>>>
>>> The Wiki got editet massively.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 29.05.2014 04:21, schrieb Anthony Fontanez:
>>>
>>>> I'm surprised I haven't seen any discussion about the recent issues
>>>> with TrueCrypt.  Links to current discussions follow.
>>>>
>>>> /r/sysadmin: http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/26pxol/
>>>> truecrypt_is_dead/
>>>> /r/netsec: http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/26pz9b/
>>>> truecrypt_development_has_ended_052814/
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Anthony Fontanez
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