linux-ext4 - Re: Mkfs option to choose where metadata will be stored

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:13:58 +0100
From:	Roberto Ragusa <mail@...ertoragusa.it>
To:	unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input)
CC:	"linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Mkfs option to choose where metadata will be stored

On 02/22/2012 05:54 PM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2012-02-22, at 6:20, Roberto Ragusa <mail@...ertoragusa.it> wrote:
>
>> My idea is to have metadata on SSD and data on HDD.
>> With a linear RAID mapping, I would get a device which is a few GB of
>> SSD followed by a lot of HDD space.
> 
> I've tested something similar to this myself. The way I did it is to use the "flex_bg" option "-G 256" to put the metadata into a single 128MB group, which is allocated on an SSD LVM PV, then 255 x 128MB on an HDD PV.

I actually discovered flex_bg a few minutes after sending my mail. :-)
I tested -G 1048576 (that is "infinity") and played a little
with -i to keep down the SSD usage (my current average filesize
is 3MB, so I can have a big value), discovering that the bitmaps are
in any case dominant.

> This pattern repeats for the entire LV size, and can easily be created with a 128MB LV on the SSD then alternating pvextend of (255 * 128MB) on the HDD PV and 128MB on the SSD PV until the desired size is reached or you run out of space on one of the PVs. 

This is a nice trick. I was thinking about only one big initial metadata zone, but
your approach will give me back lvextend (which is useful on terabyte-range filesystems).

> The exact formatting options I used are:
> 
> mke2fs -t ext4 -i 69905 -G 256 -E resize=4290772992 {dev}
> 
> this will lay everything out on the LV nicely. Note that it assumes an average  file size of about 69kB here. Increasing this is fine, but making it smaller would disrupt the layout. 

You really tuned -i to perfection. :-)

It sounds very interesting that you only get 1/256 metadata overhead,
because my tests were around 1/10 (which surely appears a lot!).
I just discovered that -G 1048576 allocates a lot of expansion space, even if
you set -E resize to a reasonable value.
(delete my previous sentence about bitmaps :-) )

Your refinements turned my bizarre idea into a really nice solution, I'm looking
forward to implementing it in production.
Even a tiny SSD can take metadata for a lot of HDD disk space. Maybe I will put
a couple of SSD in RAID-1 as I'm still not confident about their robustness.
(the data is backupped, in any case).

One last thing: you didn't worry about the journal. What would you suggest?
Using an external journal appears a little dirty, maybe we could just force
it to live in the second 128MB extent and place that one on the SSD too.
Can this be done?

Really thank you.

(this should be indeed better documented; it can have dramatic performance
implications and some optimized parameters or a spreadsheet or web form to
calculate them would be useful to a wider audience [I mean guys which
are not ready to use dumpe2fs to reverse engineer the layout like I did]).

-- 
   Roberto Ragusa    mail at robertoragusa.it
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html