linux-ext4 - Re: jbd2: don't wake kjournald unnecessarily

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Date:	Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:37:46 -0600
From:	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@...hat.com>
To:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
CC:	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@...il.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-next <linux-next@...r.kernel.org>, mszeredi@...e.cz
Subject: Re: jbd2: don't wake kjournald unnecessarily

On 1/22/13 5:50 PM, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 21-01-13 18:11:30, Ted Tso wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:32AM +0100, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>>>
>>> Beyond the FUSE/LOOP fun, will you apply this patch to your linux-next GIT tree?
>>>
>>> Feel free to add...
>>>
>>>      Tested-by: Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@...il.com>
>>>
>>> A similiar patch for JBD went through your tree into mainline (see [1] and [2]).
>>
>> I'm not at all convinced that this patch has anything to do with your
>> problem.  I don't see how it could affect things, and I believe you
>> mentioned that you saw the problem even with this patch applied?  (I'm
>> not sure; some of your messages which you sent were hard to
>> understand, and you mentioned something about trying to send messages
>> when low on sleep :-).
>>
>> In any case, the reason why I haven't pulled this patch into the ext4
>> tree is because I was waiting for Eric and some of the performance
>> team folks at Red Hat to supply some additional information about why
>> this commit was making a difference in performance for a particular
>> proprietary, closed source benchmark.
>   Just a small correction - it was aim7 AFAIK which isn't closed source
> (anymore). You can download it from SourceForge
> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/aimbench/files/aim-suite7/Initial%20release/).
> Now I have some reservations about what the benchmark does but historically
> it has found quite a few issues for us as well.
> 
>> I'm very suspicious about applying patches under the "cargo cult"
>> school of programming.  ("We don't understand why it makes a
>> difference, but it seems to be good, so bombs away!" :-)
>   Well, neither am I ;) But it is obvious the patch speeds up
> log_start_commit() by 'a bit' (taking spinlock, disabling irqs, ...). And
> apparently 'a bit' is noticeable for particular workload on a particular
> machine - commit statistics Eric provided showed that clearly. I'd still be
> happier if Eric also told us how much log_start_commit() calls there were
> so that one could verify that 'a bit' could indeed multiply to a measurable
> difference. But given how simple the patch is, I gave away after a while
> and just merged it...

I am still trying to get our perf guys to collect that data, FWIW...
I will send it when I get it.  I bugged them again today.  :)

(Just to be sure: I was going to measure the wakeups the old way, and the
avoided wakeups with the new change; sound ok?)

-Eric

> 								Honza
> 

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