Date:	Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:45:28 +0800
From:	Zheng Liu <gnehzuil.liu@...il.com>
To:	liang xie <xieliang007@...il.com>
Cc:	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Question about slow buffered io

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:58:11AM +0800, liang xie wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Zheng Liu <gnehzuil.liu@...il.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 09, 2014 at 05:14:37PM +0800, liang xie wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am an Apache HDFS/HBase developer and debugging the slow buffered io
> >> issue on ext4. I saw some slow sys_write caused by:
> >> (mount -o noatime)
> >> 0xffffffff814ed1c3 : io_schedule+0x73/0xc0 [kernel]
> >> 0xffffffff81110b4d : sync_page+0x3d/0x50 [kernel]
> >> 0xffffffff814eda2a : __wait_on_bit_lock+0x5a/0xc0 [kernel]
> >> 0xffffffff81110ae7 : __lock_page+0x67/0x70 [kernel]
> >> 0xffffffff81111abc : find_lock_page+0x4c/0x80 [kernel]
> >> 0xffffffff81111b3a : grab_cache_page_write_begin+0x4a/0xc0 [kernel]
> >> 0xffffffffa00d05d4 : ext4_da_write_begin+0xb4/0x200 [ext4]
> >
> > Delalloc obviously could cause a latency spike because of i_data_sem.
> > When flusher thread tries to write out some dirty pages, it will grab
> > i_data_sem locking and allocate some blocks for these dirty pages.  At
> > that time if an application tries to do some buffered writes, i_data_sem
> > also need to be taken.  So the application needs to wait on writeback.
> >
> Cool, got it :)
> 
> >>
> >> seems caused by delay allocation, right?  so i reran with "mount -o
> >> noatime,,nodiratime,data=writeback,nodelalloc", unfortunately, i saw
> >> another stack trace contributing high latency:
> >>  0xffffffff811a9416 : __wait_on_buffer+0x26/0x30 [kernel]
> >>  0xffffffffa0123564 : ext4_mb_init_cache+0x234/0x9f0 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa0123e3e : ext4_mb_init_group+0x11e/0x210 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa0123ffd : ext4_mb_good_group+0xcd/0x110 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa01276eb : ext4_mb_regular_allocator+0x19b/0x410 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa0127ced : ext4_mb_new_blocks+0x38d/0x560 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa011dfc3 : ext4_ext_get_blocks+0x1113/0x1a10 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa00fb335 : ext4_get_blocks+0xf5/0x2a0 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa00fbdad : ext4_get_block+0xbd/0x120 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffff811ab27b : __block_prepare_write+0x1db/0x570 [kernel]
> >>  0xffffffff811ab8cc : block_write_begin_newtrunc+0x5c/0xd0 [kernel]
> >>  0xffffffff811abcd3 : block_write_begin+0x43/0x90 [kernel]
> >>  0xffffffffa00fe408 : ext4_write_begin+0x1b8/0x2d0 [ext4]
> >> and from HDFS/HBASE side, also no obvious improvement be found.
> >
> > From the output of calltrace, it seems that we wait on reading some meta
> > data for block allocation.
> Any ideas on relieving the write stall caused by it?

This commit (9f203507ed277ee86e3f76a15e09db1c92e40b94) might be useful.

> 
> >
> >>
> >> and inside both two scenarios, the following stack trace was hit as well:
> >>  0xffffffffa00dc09d : do_get_write_access+0x29d/0x520 [jbd2]
> >>  0xffffffffa00dc471 : jbd2_journal_get_write_access+0x31/0x50 [jbd2]
> >>  0xffffffffa011eb78 : __ext4_journal_get_write_access+0x38/0x80 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa01209ba : ext4_mb_mark_diskspace_used+0x7a/0x300 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa0127c09 : ext4_mb_new_blocks+0x2a9/0x560 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa011dfc3 : ext4_ext_get_blocks+0x1113/0x1a10 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa00fb335 : ext4_get_blocks+0xf5/0x2a0 [ext4]
> >>  0xffffffffa00fbdad : ext4_get_block+0xbd/0x120 [ext4]
> >>
> >> My question is:
> >> 1)what's the ext4 best practice for low latency append-only workload
> >> like HBase application? Is there any recommended option i could try,
> >> flex_bg size? nomballoc?
> >
> > We do the following things in our product system in order to avoid
> > latency spike:
> > 1. -o nodelalloc
> > 2. -o data=writeback
> > 3. disable stable page write
> 
> ok
> 
> >> 2)for the last strace trace, does
> >> 9f203507ed277ee86e3f76a15e09db1c92e40b94 help a lot, or no big win? (i
> >> haven't run on 3.10+ so far and it's inconvenient to bump kernel
> >> version on my cluster currently, so forgive my this stupid question if
> >> it's...)
> >
> > TBH, I don't know.  But it is not very hard to backport this patch into
> > your kernel.
> >
> > BTW, as far as I understand, Hadoop just does some parallel append buffer
> > writes, right?
> 
> not exactly, per my current understanding, the hdfs data files are always append
> only write, but the meta files are not the same story, it possible has a minor
> overwrite request under special conditions.
> 
> > Could you please write a simple program to reproduce this problem?
> np, will do once get chance

That would be great if you can provide a simple program to reproduce the
problem because most developers don't have a cluster to run Hadoop.

Regards,
                                                - Zheng
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