Date:	Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:15:18 -0500
From:	John Richard Moser <nigelenki@...cast.net>
To:	Luca Tettamanti <kronos.it@...il.com>
CC:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	Alistair John Strachan <s0348365@....ed.ac.uk>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Suspend to disk:  do we HAVE to use swap?

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Luca Tettamanti wrote:
> Il Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:41:11PM -0500, John Richard Moser ha scritto: 
>> Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:05, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday 31 October 2006 17:40, Luca Tettamanti wrote:
>>>>> Alistair John Strachan <s0348365@....ed.ac.uk> ha scritto:
>>>>>> On Tuesday 31 October 2006 06:16, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, we already have code that allows us to use swap files for the
>>>>>>> suspend and turning a regular file into a swap file is as easy as
>>>>>>> running 'mkswap' and 'swapon' on it.
>>>>>> How is this feature enabled? I don't see it in 2.6.19-rc4.
>>>>> Swap files have been supported for ages. suspend-to-swapfile is very
>>>>> new, you need a -mm kernel and userspace suspend from CVS:
>>>>> http://suspend.sf.net
>>>> I know, I use swap files, and not a partition. This has prevented me from 
>>>> using suspend to disk "for ages". ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Is userspace suspend REQUIRED for this feature?
>>> No, but unfortunately one piece is still missing: You'll need to figure out
>>> where your swap file's header is located.
>>>
>>> However, if you apply the attached patch the kernel will tell you where it is
>>> (after you do 'swapon' grep dmesg for 'swap' and use the value in the
>>> 'offset' field).
>> Nobody has answered this one yet:  Once you 'swapon' doesn't the kernel
>> have (require?) the swap file opened writable?  Simple mode:
>>
>>   IS THIS NOT EXTREMELY DANGEROUS?
> 
> The trick is that the FS hosting the swapfile is *not* mounted at all;
> you don't even activate the swap. resume process uses the block number
> (better: the couple <devid, block>) to locate the swapfile.
> The "ugly" part of this method is that the user has to figure out the
> first block of the swapfile, since at resume time it's not possibile to
> mount the fs (not even read only - journaled filesystems will blow up
> due to journal replay) to search the swap area...
> 

Yes, I was referring to Wysoki's comment about using swapon to find it.
 Although I guess you could look beforehand; but then if you move the
partition around on disk the block changes (and the kernel, on resume,
goes "BOY WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" because the partition table is
incorrect XD)

> Luca

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