linux-kernel - Re: [patch] x86_64: do not enable the NMI watchdog by default

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Date:	Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:24:33 +0100
From:	Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...l.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] x86_64: do not enable the NMI watchdog by default

> and it needs to be  
> undone via the patch attached further below.

I disagree. And it has often saved my ass on 64bit. I

On 32bit it might be reevaluated -- i didn't expect that amount
of laptop firmware bugs triggered by it, but I'm not quite
ready to give up on that yet.

> If Andi wants to debug stuff via the NMI wachdog, he should use the 
> nmi_watchdog=2 boot option:

This means for most lockups which are hard to reproduce we don't 
get any backtrace.

And nmi_watchdog=2 is bad because it runs at HZ frequency 
and has quite high overhead.

> also, lock debugging facilities catch lockup possibilities (and actual 
> lockups) alot more efficiently, 

Production kernels don't have lock debugging enabled because it 
has far too much overhead.

> 8 were caught by lockdep, 8 by atomicity checks in the scheduler, 7 by 
> DEBUG_PREEMPT and 1 by DEBUG_SPINLOCK.

None of which is enabled on non debug kernels.

> Note: zero were caught by the NMI watchdog, and i run the NMI watchdog 
> enabled by default on all architectures, and i have serial logging of 
> everything.

Sure lock debugging will probably catch most of this earlier,
but we don't have it usually.

-Andi
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