Date:	Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:45:17 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com>
Cc:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] Per cpu relocation to ZERO and x86_32 percpu ops
	on x86_64


* Christoph Lameter <clameter@....com> wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> > if you treat testing and review efforts like that they might have to 
> > wait even longer :-( "My stuff is there somewhere amongst 1415 -mm 
> > patches. Thank you for your interest and buzz off already."
> 
> Well I guess you have to get used to maintainership I think. F.e. the 
> s390 people tested this patchset without requiring a backport. 
> Typically arch maintainers test mm and do not force the patches back 
> into mainline.

Huh?? This is getting absurd. Look at it from my perspective: i spent a 
few spare cycles on a Friday afternoon to check a few x86 relevant 
patches that looked interesting to me personally. At the moment they are 
still cooking in -mm and were not submitted to upstream merging yet - so 
i did not expect anything from them, but i wanted to help out because 
the patches looked good.

This was not any "formal" x86 maintainance activity - your patches are 
still cooking. But i was thinking about maybe putting these patches into 
the x86 test grind to get them shaken out some more the random 1000 
bootup tests a day that it does. When integrating your patches I found a 
bug and tentatively reported it to you, pointing out that it could 
easily be my merge fault. Basically i was offering you to let your 
patches cook in another kitchen as well. I never before had a negative 
response to that :-/

So i expected some "great that you are looking at this stuff, lemme help 
you sort it out, you missed these 2-3 patches in -mm" reaction (that's 
how i'd have reacted to you doing the same) instead i got these very 
surprising and fundamentlly hostile responses from you, an unfriendly 
"test -mm and dont pick out individual patches" suggestion and now this 
mail from you with this rather subtly formulated condescending tone:

> Well I guess you have to get used to maintainership I think. [...]

so i guess i'll leave it here for now with your percpu patches, i've got 
far better things to do on a Friday afternoon :-/ We'll deal with your 
stuff once it gets so far as upstream integration.

> I am a bit surprised since Andi and I never had this issue.

huh??? I am really wondering where this hostile attitude of yours comes 
from. Getting patches build and boot is something architecture 
maintainers do on a regular basis, it's a minimum requirement before 
getting something merged into an architecture.

And btw., -rc3-mm2 seems to have grown a spontaneous reboot problem, 
that looks quite similar to what i saw:

  http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.24-rc3/2.6.24-rc3-mm2/announce.txt

| - First bug report: after ten minutes happily compiling kernels my
|   2.6.24-rc3-mm2 x86_64 box spontaneously rebooted.

so from now on i guess i'll have to tag you as "does not want any 
advance testing and review help with his patches" person and will leave 
you alone.

	Ingo
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