linux-kernel - Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core

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Date:	Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:26:36 +0100
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
To:	Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo@...g.org>
Cc:	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core

On Sunday, 20 of January 2008, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> >> Clock throttling is not likely to save your battery, unless you have 
> >> tasks that are running at 100% CPU for an unlimited time or something, 
> >> and you force your CPU to throttle. Normally most people have tasks that 
> >> run and then the CPU idles - loading an email, displaying a web page, 
> >> etc. Clock throttling will just make these tasks utilize the CPU for a 
> >> longer time proportional to the amount clock throttling and therefore 
> >> negate any gains in battery usage.
> 
> Aren't you forgetting about CPUfreq governors? Which mean: use the 
> maximum CPU frequency when the system is busy, throttle down (or lower 
> voltage) when the system is idle.
> 
> So yes, throttling will save the battery.

In the relevant documentation "throttling" usually means "the reduction of the
frequency of a CPU that is not idle" in which case it won't (at least on the
average).
 
> Besides, not all CPUs support power management (voltage control).
> 
> 
> > IMO clock throttling (as opposed to the reduction of the frequency of an idle
> > CPU) is only useful for preventing the CPU from overheating.
> 
> And for reducing power on CPUs that can't do any power management, just 
> throttling.
> 
> For example, a server that doesn't crunch any numbers at night will 
> certainly use less power when throttled.

You can't use less power, you only can use less energy. :-)

Anyway, that's "the reduction of the frequency of an idle CPU" mentioned above
and it makes sense in the majority of cases.

Greetings,
Rafael
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