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Date:	Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:26:24 -0800 (PST)
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@...il.com>, davem@...emloft.net,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	Pierre Ossman <drzeus-mmc@...eus.cx>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Re: using long instead of atomic_t when only set/read
 is required



On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Alan Stern wrote:
> 
> Consider a routine like the following:
> 
> 	static task_struct *the_task;
> 
> 	void store_task(void)
> 	{
> 		the_task = current;
> 	}
> 
> Is it possible to say whether readers examining "the_task" are 
> guaranteed to see a coherent value?

Yes, we do depend on this.  All the RCU stuff (and in general *anything* 
that depends on memory ordering as opposed to full locking, and we have 
quite a lot of it) is very fundamentally dependent on the fact that things 
like pointers get read and written atomically.

HOWEVER, it is worth pointing out that it's generally true in a 
"different" sense than the actual atomic accesses. For example, if you 
test a single bit of a word, it's still quite possible that gcc will have 
turned that "atomic" read into a single byte read, so it's not necessarily 
the case that we'll actually even read the whole word. 

(Writes are different: if you do things like bitwise updates they simply 
*will*not* be atomic, but that's simply not what we depend on anyway).

So in that sense, the atomicity guarantees are a lot weaker than the ones 
we do for IO accesses, but that's all fine. Memory isn't IO, and doesn't 
have side effects.

			Linus
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