linux-kernel - Re: x86: 4kstacks default

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Date:	Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
From:	david@...g.hm
To:	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>
cc:	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...glemail.com>,
	Romano Giannetti <romanol@...omillas.es>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: x86: 4kstacks default

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Daniel Hazelton wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 April 2008 01:03:11 Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> On Tuesday 22 April 2008 20:20, Romano Giannetti wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 11:44 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote:
>>>> Since the second-most-common reason for stack overages is
>>>> ndiswrapper... Well, with there being so much more hardware now
>>>> supported directly by the linux kernel...
>>>
>>> How would I like you being right... Atheros AR5008, AR5414 PHY, "not yet
>>> here". It's almost one year now since I bought this laptop, and till now
>>> it's the cable or ndiswrapper. But yes, it's going better. For my first
>>> wifi laptop I waited two and a half years, now it seems that in a bit
>>> more than one there will be an open source driver...
>>>
>>> I know all the trouble ndiswrapper signify. But I see also that people
>>> around me with a laptop and linux use more ndiswrapper than a real
>>> driver, so... be gentle with it.
>>
>> Nobody knows how much potential development is not done because
>> "you can make your wifi work with ndiswrapper".
>
> I've got to agree with that sentiment. Once a working solution is found, no
> matter how crappy, it seems that almost all development stops.

and nobody knows how many people are running linux instead of windows 
becouse they were able to use ndiswrapper to get things running. most of 
those people contributed nothing to the kernel, but they all contributed 
to Linux, if nothing else as examples that Linux is a reasonable option 
(and some percentage of those users have contrinbuted to other opensource 
projects that they would probably never have bumped into if they were 
running windows instead)

I know we will never convince each other, but we do need to recognise that 
there is another valid point of view.

David Lang
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