Date:	Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:19:52 -0800
From:	john stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com>
To:	Roman Zippel <zippel@...ux-m68k.org>
Cc:	lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, yanmin_zhang@...ux.intel.com,
	alex.shi@...el.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...x.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Catch xtime_nsec underflows and fix them

On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 03:35 +0100, Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, john stultz wrote:
> 
> > Alex Shi, along with Yanmin Zhang have been noticing occasional time
> > inconsistencies recently. Through their great diagnosis, they found that
> > the xtime_nsec value used in update_wall_time was occasionally going
> > negative. After looking through the code for awhile, I realized we have
> > the possibility for an underflow when three conditions are met in
> > update_wall_time():
> > 
> > 1) We have accumulated a second's worth of nanoseconds, so we
> > incremented xtime.tv_sec and appropriately decrement xtime_nsec. (This
> > doesn't cause xtime_nsec to go negative, but it can cause it to be
> > small).
> > 
> > 2) The remaining offset value is large, but just slightly less then
> > cycle_interval.
> > 
> > 3) clocksource_adjust() is speeding up the clock, causing a corrective
> > amount (compensating for the increase in the multiplier being multiplied
> > against the unaccumulated offset value) to be subtracted from
> > xtime_nsec.
> > 
> > This can cause xtime_nsec to underflow.
> 
> This doesn't explain the problem entirely, I considered a negative 
> xtime_nsec before, but xtime_nsec+offset should still be positive and 
> produce the correct result, at least I can't find anything in 
> getnstimeofday(). It should also be a very rare event, so it's really 
> puzzling that it's so easy to reproduce.
> So there must be more to it than just a negative xtime_nsec, it triggers 
> the problem, but it's not the actual problem. One possible explanation is 
> this line:
> 
> 	clock->xtime_nsec -= (s64)xtime.tv_nsec << clock->shift;
> 
> The rounding further increases the problem as the error is adjusted into 
> the wrong direction and under the right conditions it seems to be possible 
> to go out of sync as the error increasingly gets worse. I'd like to see 
> some numbers to confirm this theory, in any case above line is incorrect 
> for negative numbers.
> 
> > +	/* Since in the loop above, we accumulate any amount of time
> > +	 * in xtime_nsec over a second into xtime.tv_sec, its possible for
> > +	 * xtime_nsec to be fairly small after the loop. Further, if we're
> > +	 * slightly speeding the clocksource up in clocksource_adjust(),
> > +	 * its possible the required corrective factor to xtime_nsec could
> > +	 * cause it to underflow.
> > +	 * Now, we cannot simply roll the accumulated second back, since
> > +	 * the NTP subsystem has been notified via second_overflow. So
> > +	 * instead we push xtime_nsec forward by the amount we underflowed,
> > +	 * and add that amount into the error.
> > +	 * We'll correct this error next time through this function, when
> > +	 * xtime_nsec is not as small.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (unlikely((s64)clock->xtime_nsec < 0)) {
> > +		s64 neg = -(s64)clock->xtime_nsec;
> > +		clock->xtime_nsec = 0;
> > +		clock->error += neg << (NTP_SCALE_SHIFT - clock->shift);
> > +	}
> 
> I don't mind this solution, but to be precise it avoids the problem.
> My favourite solution would involve improving the xtime handling, as it's 

Yea, I agree. 

> not really necessary to copy the nsec value back and forth between xtime 
> and xtime_nsec, but it requires going through all xtime users, especially 
> all settimeofday implementations, which also have to set xtime_nsec so 
> update_wall_time() doesn't has to read it in. Then it's possible to make 
> xtime_nsec signed and allow it to be negative.
> So avoiding the negative nsec value is the better shorttime solution, but 
> I'd prefer you'd drop the second paragraph, instead of suggesting a broken 
> solution I'd rather see a bit info about how to fix this properly, i.e. 
> fixing the xtime handling, so it's safe to allow negative values.

So to make sure I understand, you're suggesting we push xtime_nsec to
effectively replace the xtime.tv_nsec value, right? That would effect
quite a few places. But mostly for the remaining non-GENERIC_TIME
arches, which I need to get around to converting at some point.

thanks
-john



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