linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/8] can: CAN Network device driver and SYSFS interface

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Date:	Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:38:43 +0100
From:	Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>
To:	Wolfgang Grandegger <wg@...ndegger.com>
CC:	netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Oliver Hartkopp <oliver.hartkopp@...kswagen.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/8] can: CAN Network device driver and SYSFS interface

Wolfgang Grandegger wrote:
>>> 1. Set and get CAN device properties like bit-rate and controller mode.
>>> 2. Show CAN bus state (active, error-passive or bus-off).
>>> 3. Get device constants like clock frequency and bit-timing parameters.
>>> 4. Dump CAN device statistics.
>>> 5. Trigger device restart if CAN bus-off state has been detected.
>>>
>>> Not sure yet, if the interface if good for all purposes. Especially
>>> point 5. might be better handled by an IOCTL.
>> The first points sound pretty regular. The last one - just triggering
>> it is no problem of course, but since I don't know how the detection
>> works, I can't really tell whether its suitable.
> 
> CAN errors and state changes might be delivered as CAN error messages to
> the receiving socket/application, like normal messages. When the
> application realizes the state change to CAN bus-off, it may want to
> trigger a bus-off recovery (controller restart). The CAN controller HW
> enters bus-off, when too much errors occurred on the bus. No more
> messages can then be sent of received and therefore the driver calls
> netif_carrier_off(). Is there already an interface for the user to
> restart? An appropriate IOCTL request would be a simply option, but they
> are generally deprecated, AFAIK. Using netlink would be more cumbersome,
> as with SYSFS.

You could consider triggering the restart automatically, similar
to the netdev watchdog. In fact, you could simply use that one.
If you really want to trigger this from userspace, setting the
device DOWN and UP again seems like the most appropriate way to
me (even though not very nice to use from an application POV).

>>> And we need a user space
>>> tool, e.g. canconfig, to handle the user requests and communicate with
>>> the kernel side.
>> Thats pretty standard :)
> 
> For the iproute2 utility "ip", mainliy a netlink_can.c would be
> required. But a dedicated tool for CAN seems more appropriate to me.

I don't know the CAN specifics. One goal of the rtnl_link API
was to reduce to amount of userspace tools for link configuration
though, so please only create a new tool if there's really a good
reason. From my POV it would be preferrable to have link configuration
in iproute for direct use by users and possibly also support in
libnl for use by other applications.

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