linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock and RCU (v5)

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Date:	Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:53:15 +0200
From:	Patrick McHardy <kaber@...sh.net>
To:	Eric Dumazet <dada1@...mosbay.com>
CC:	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...tta.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, jeff.chua.linux@...il.com,
	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, paulus@...ba.org, mingo@...e.hu,
	laijs@...fujitsu.com, jengelh@...ozas.de, r000n@...0n.net,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, benh@...nel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock and RCU (v5)

Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Stephen Hemminger a écrit :
>> This is an alternative version of ip/ip6/arp tables locking using
>> per-cpu locks.  This avoids the overhead of synchronize_net() during
>> update but still removes the expensive rwlock in earlier versions.
>>
>> The idea for this came from an earlier version done by Eric Dumazet.
>> Locking is done per-cpu, the fast path locks on the current cpu
>> and updates counters.  The slow case involves acquiring the locks on
>> all cpu's. This version uses RCU for the table->base reference
>> but per-cpu-lock for counters.

> This version is a regression over 2.6.2[0-9], because of two points
> 
> 1) Much more atomic ops :
> 
> Because of additional
> 
>> +			spin_lock(&__get_cpu_var(ip_tables_lock));
>>  			ADD_COUNTER(e->counters, ntohs(ip->tot_len), 1);
>> +			spin_unlock(&__get_cpu_var(ip_tables_lock));
> 
> added on each counter updates.
> 
> On many setups, each packet coming in or out of the machine has
> to update between 2 to 20 rule counters. So to avoid *one* atomic ops
> of read_unlock(), this v4 version adds 2 to 20 atomic ops...

I agree, this seems to be a step backwards.

> I still not see the problem between the previous version (2.6.2[0-8]) that had a central
>  rwlock, that hurted performance on SMP because of cache line ping pong, and the solution
> having one rwlock per cpu.
> 
> We wanted to reduce the cache line ping pong first. This *is* the hurting point,
> by an order of magnitude.

Dave doesn't seem to like the rwlock approach. I don't see a way to
do anything asynchronously like call_rcu() to improve this, so to
bring up one of Stephens suggestions again:

>> >   * use on_each_cpu() somehow to do grace periood?

We could use this to replace the counters, presuming it is
indeed faster than waiting for a RCU grace period.

> 2) Second problem : Potential OOM
> 
> About freeing old rules with call_rcu() and/or schedule_work(), this is going
> to OOM pretty fast on small appliances with basic firewall setups loading
> rules one by one, as done by original topic reporter.
> 
> We had reports from guys using linux with 4MB of available ram (French provider free.fr on
> their applicance box), and we had to use SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU thing on conntrack
>  to avoid OOM for their setups. We dont want to use call_rcu() and queue 100 or 200 vfree().

Agreed.
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