Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:22:19 +0300
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@...ell.com>
Cc:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, avi@...hat.com,
	davidel@...ilserver.org, paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [KVM PATCH v2 2/2] kvm: use POLLHUP to close an irqfd instead
	of an explicit ioctl

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:00:39AM -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 02:46:30PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> >   
> >> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:24:39 pm Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>     
> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 08:08:18AM -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>> Hmm.  I understand what you are saying conceptually (i.e. the .text
> >>>> could get yanked before we hit the next line of code, in this case the
> >>>> "return 0").  However, holding a reference when you _know_ someone else
> >>>> holds a reference to me says that one of the references is redundant.
> >>>> In addition, there is certainly plenty of precedence for
> >>>> module_put(THIS_MODULE) all throughout the kernel (including
> >>>> module_put_and_exit()).  Are those broken as well?
> >>>>         
> >>> Maybe not, but I don't know why. It works fine as long as you don't
> >>> unload any modules though :) Rusty, could you enlighten us please?
> >>>       
> >> Yep, they're almost all broken.  A few have comments indicating that someone 
> >> else is holding a reference (eg. loopback).
> >>
> >> But at some point you give up playing whack-a-mole for random drivers.
> >>
> >> module_put_and_exit() does *not* have this problem, BTW.
> >>
> >> Rusty.
> >>     
> >
> > I see that, the .text for module_put_and_exit is never modular itself.
> > Thanks, Rusty!
> >   
> 
> Ah!  That is the trick I wasn't understanding.
> > BTW, Gregory, this can be used to fix the race in the design: create a
> > thread and let it drop the module reference with module_put_and_exit.
> >   
> 
> I had thought of doing something like this initially too, but I think
> its racy as well.  Ultimately, you need to make sure the eventfd
> callback is completely out before its safe to run, and deferring to a
> thread would not change this race.  The only sane way I can see to do
> that is to have the caller infrastructure annotate the event somehow
> (either directly with a module_put(), or indirectly with some kind of
> state transition that can be tracked with something like
> synchronize_sched().

Here's what one could do: create a thread for each irqfd, and increment
module ref count, put that thread to sleep.  When done with
irqfd, don't delete it and don't decrement module refcount, wake thread
instead.  thread kills irqfd and calls module_put_and_exit.

I don't think it's racy but I won't call it sane either.

> > Which will work, but I guess at this point we should ask ourselves
> > whether all the hearburn with srcu, threads and module references is
> > better than just asking the user to call and ioctl.
> >   
> 
> I am starting to agree with you, here. :)
> 
> Note one thing: the SRCU stuff is mostly orthogonal from the rest of the
> conversation re: the module_put() races.  I only tied it into the
> current thread because the eventfd_notifier_register() thread gave me a
> convenient way to hook some other context to do the module_put().  In
> the long term, the srcu changes are for the can_sleep() stuff.  So on
> that note, lets see if I can convince Davide that the srcu stuff is not
> so evil before we revert the POLLHUP patches, since the module_put() fix
> is trivial once that is in place.

Can this help with DEASSIGN as well? We need it for migration.

> Thanks Michael (and Rusty),
> -Greg
> 
> 


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