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Date:	Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:47:36 +0100
From:	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@....linux.org.uk>
To:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc:	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>, Ben Dooks <ben-linux@...ff.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.arm.linux.org.uk,
	David John <davidjon@...ontk.org>,
	Erik Mouw <mouw@...linux.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@...waw.pl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add "L: linux-arm@...r.kernel.org" to ARM
	sections

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:35:11AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> O> Let me make this clear, yet again.  The lists are *not* subscriber only
> > lists.  We do NOT reject non-subscriber posts for no reason what so ever
> > (although it does seem to have happened, both Erik and myself both
> > contend that we have never rejected a mailing intentionally without
> > giving a reason - whether the original poster receives that reason is
> > a function of how buggy mailman is.)
> 
> Does it matter one iota whether mailman is rejecting the posts or you
> are. It's a long standing nuisance. And if the software is that buggy why
> not move it to vger which works and has its own active maintainers which
> will free up your time ?

As I've already pointed out in previous threads, people believe that they
should talk to me about ARM mailing lists.  Proven, multiple times by
multiple people.

Fact: These lists have _TWO_ admins.  Fact: Everyone only talks to me
about problems with these lists.  Fact: they do not copy Erik.

Moving them to vger isn't going to change that.  The only effect that
it'll have is make me frustrated because I'm then constantly bothered
by people who can't do the sodding research to work out who they should
be talking to.

Humans are, at the end of the day, bone idle lazy creatures.

> > There is also a feeling from some people in this community (they've told
> > me themselves in private) that certain mainline folk have been actively
> > trying to undermine the ARM community - given the recent "discussions"
> > (more like flames) over things like the device tree, the HTC stuff, etc.
> 
> Well if you will hide in your own cupboard under the stairs nobody is
> going to understand the ARM folks needs. You don't need malice to account
> for that.

That's not really fair Alan.

The issue is not about hiding.  I believe it's about jealousness and
resentment.
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