linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] libata: use single threaded work queue

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Date:	Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:14:58 -0400
From:	Mark Lord <liml@....ca>
To:	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
Cc:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>, linux-ide@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, htejun@...il.com,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata: use single threaded work queue

Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> On 08/19/2009 07:25 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On boxes with lots of CPUs, we have so many kernel threads it's not
>>> funny. The basic problem is that create_workqueue() creates a per-cpu
>>> thread, where we could easily get by with a single thread for a lot of
>>> cases.
>>>
>>> One such case appears to be ata_wq. You want at most one per pio drive,
>>> not one per CPU. I'd suggest just dropping it to a single threaded wq.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe<jens.axboe@...cle.com>
>>>
>>> diff --git a/drivers/ata/libata-core.c b/drivers/ata/libata-core.c
>>> index 072ba5e..0d78628 100644
>>> --- a/drivers/ata/libata-core.c
>>> +++ b/drivers/ata/libata-core.c
>>> @@ -6580,7 +6580,7 @@ static int __init ata_init(void)
>>>   {
>>>   	ata_parse_force_param();
>>>
>>> -	ata_wq = create_workqueue("ata");
>>> +	ata_wq = create_singlethread_workqueue("ata");
>>>   	if (!ata_wq)
>>>   		goto free_force_tbl;
>>
>> I agree with one-thread-per-cpu is too much, in these modern multi-core  
>> times, but one thread is too little.  You have essentially re-created  
>> simplex DMA -- blocking and waiting such that one drive out of ~4 can be  
>> used at any one time.
>>
>> ata_pio_task() is in a workqueue so that it can sleep and/or spend a  
>> long time polling ATA registers.  That means an active task can  
>> definitely starve all other tasks in the workqueue, if only one thread  
>> is available.  If starvation occurs, it will potentially pause the  
>> unrelated task for several seconds.
>>
>> The proposed patch actually expands an existing problem -- uniprocessor  
>> case, where there is only one workqueue thread.  For the reasons  
>> outlined above, we actually want multiple threads even in the UP case.  
>> If you have more than one PIO device, latency is bloody awful, with  
>> occasional multi-second "hiccups" as one PIO devices waits for another.  
>> It's an ugly wart that users DO occasionally complain about; luckily  
>> most users have at most one PIO polled device.
>>
>> It would be nice if we could replace this workqueue with a thread pool,  
>> where thread count inside the pool ranges from zero to $N depending on  
>> level of thread pool activity.  Our common case in libata would be  
>> _zero_ threads, if so...
> 
> That would be ideal, N essentially be:
> 
>         N = min(nr_cpus, nr_drives_that_need_pio);
..

No, that would leave just a single thread again for UP.

It would be nice to just create these threads on-demand,
and destroy them again after periods of dis-use.
Kind of like how Apache does worker threads.

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