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Date:	Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:07:49 +0200
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	david@...g.hm
Cc:	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@...hat.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@....de>,
	Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@....de>,
	Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>, mtk.manpages@...il.com,
	rdunlap@...otime.net, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org, corbet@....net
Subject: Re: [testcase] test your fs/storage stack (was Re: [patch] ext2/3:
	document conditions when reliable operation is possible)

Hi!

>>> for flash drives the danger is very straightforward (although even then
>>> you have to note that it depends heavily on the firmware of the device,
>>> some will loose lots of data, some won't loose any)
>>
>> I have not seen one that works :-(.
>
> so let's get broader testing (including testing the SSDs as well as the  
> thumb drives)

If someone can do ssd test -- yes that would be interesting.

>> Anyway, you wanted a test, and one is attached. It normally takes like
>> 4 unplugs to uncover problems.
>
> Ok, help me understand this.
>
> I copy these two files to a system, change them to point at the correct  
> device, run them and unplug the drive while it's running.

Yep.

> when I plug the device back in, how do I tell if it lost something  
> unexpected? since you are writing from urandom I have no idea what data  
> _should_ be on the drive, so how can I detect that a data block has been  
> corrupted?

I have mirror on disk you are not unplugging. See cmp || exit lines.

The test continues until it detects corruption.
								Pavel


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