linux-kernel - Re: Re: [PATCH 2/3] ftrace: add tracepoint for xtime

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Date:	Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:34:47 +0800
From:	Zhaolei <zhaolei@...fujitsu.com>
To:	john stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com>
CC:	rostedt@...dmis.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH 2/3] ftrace: add tracepoint for xtime

john stultz wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 16:32 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 12:58 -0700, john stultz wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, john stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Zhaolei <zhaolei@...fujitsu.com> wrote:
>>>>> From: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@...fujitsu.com>
>>>>>  /* Structure holding internal timekeeping values. */
>>>>>  struct timekeeper {
>>>>>        /* Current clocksource used for timekeeping. */
>>>>> @@ -338,6 +341,8 @@ int do_settimeofday(struct timespec *tv)
>>>>>
>>>>>        update_vsyscall(&xtime, timekeeper.clock);
>>>>>
>>>>> +       trace_gtod_update_xtime(&xtime, &wall_to_monotonic);
>>>>> +
>>>> So the only thing to watch out on here is that xtime doesn't hold the
>>>> current time, but the accumulated time. There is some unaccumulated
>>>> time still kept in the clocksource structure.
>>>>
>>>> You probably want (assuming you only need tick granularity time) to
>>>> use current_kernel_time().
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, is there a reason you have to have update callbacks and
>>>> duplicate the time storage instead of using the existing interfaces?
>>>> (ie: Is this due to locking or something else?)
>>> Doh. Sorry, you're actually tracing the timekeeping code. Not using
>>> this to assist tracing. Got this confused.
>>>
>>> So yea, I think this should be ok, plus or minus determining if you
>>> really want xtime or xtime_cache.
>> Well this may be a real concern. It's not about tracing timekeeping
>> (although it adds that functionality). His second patch (I didn't Cc you
>> on that one) hooks to these tracepoints to update time accordingly.
>>
>> What is being done is a way to have a "wall time" value being added to
>> the ring buffer. But this needs to be very carefully done, because the
>> all tracers use this, including the function tracer in NMI code. So the
>> clock source can not take locks or do anything fancy.
>>
>> What the idea is, is to have a semi clock that is read with some kind of
>> fast increment, and then at clock ticks, this clock is synced up.
> 
> Hmm.. Yea, if that's the case, then I'm not a big fan of this approach.
> 
> It sounds like what's really needed is a lock-free variant of
> current_kernel_time() or something close to the CLOCK_MONOTONIC_COARSE
> functionality currently queued.

Yes.

And it will be better if I can get current walltime fast and
with high resolution.

I see your patch of __current_kernel_time() in Aug 19,
and I think it can be used to get walltime in ftrace.
But IMHO, use tracepoint to do it maybe better for its high resolution.

Thanks
Zhaolei

> Doing it without locks might have some downsides, and I guess that's the
> point of the callback method (updates happen at prescribed times and
> likely under locks that the trace code understands so it avoids races
> and deadlocks).
> 
> -john
> 


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