linux-kernel - Re: mailing list for trace users

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Date:	Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:41:22 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, linux@...e.hu,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Cc:	rostedt@...dmis.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca, a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl,
	fweisbec@...il.com, acme@...hat.com, tglx@...utronix.de,
	mhiramat@...hat.com, postmaster@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: mailing list for trace users

* David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote:

> From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:48:23 +0200
> 
> > 
> > * David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
> >> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:16:22 -0400
> >> 
> >> > What are people's thoughts about creating a linux-trace-users 
> >> > mailing list on vger.kernel.org?
> >> 
> >> I've created this list.
> > 
> > btw., could you please change the name to linux-tracing-users? 
> > That's the name of the subsystem and the name of the activity as 
> > well. A 'trace' is just (one) end result of that activity.
> 
> No, the name is arbitrary and people are already propagating the 
> existience of the name that has been chosen already.
> 
> SOrry.

David, i have asked for the proper name _BEFORE_ you have created it, 
yesterday. I also asked you again today to change the name _minutes_ 
after you mailed about the sucky 'linux-trace-users@...r.kernel.org' 
name. You ignored all that.

I dont know about you, but the activity is 'tracing' not 'trace'. People 
mailing to that list want to talk about 'tracing' - not about a 'trace'. 
What is a 'trace user'? It makes no sense and is a misnomer.

The subsystem entry in MAINTAINERS clearly says:

TRACING
M:      Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
M:      Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
M:      Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>
T:      git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/linux-2.6-tip.git tracing/core
S:      Maintained

It's no secret that you and me dont get along too well and have been 
involved in a number of very public spats in the past year or so.

I do think your actions here are designed to hurt the tracing (and also 
the perf events) subsystems just because i'm co-maintaining them, and i 
think that you are in a heavy conflict of interest over it.

You should have recused yourself from this decision - i suspect there's 
other, less biased people outside of you who can create new mailing 
lists on vger.kernel.org. They might refuse my request with some real 
reason.

	Ingo
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