Date:	Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:57:47 +0400
From:	Alexey Starikovskiy <astarikovskiy@...e.de>
To:	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@...il.com>
CC:	Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@....eng.br>,
	linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] battery: Fix charge_now returned by broken batteries

Hi Miguel,

I am going to reject your patch on the basis, that the battery driver should report only
information it gained from battery hardware, not interpret it in any way.
As your patch fall into "interpret" category, it does not belong in the kernel and battery
driver in particular. You may suggest it to any/all user space battery monitoring applications,
this is the place for "interpretations".

Not-acknowledged-by: Alexey Starikovskiy


Regards,
Alex.


Miguel Ojeda пишет:
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> <hmh@....eng.br> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009, Miguel Ojeda wrote:
>>> Some broken batteries like my DELL NR2227 or a friend's DELL GK4798 return
>>> the design_capacity (charge_full_design) as capacity_now (charge_now)
>>> when completely charged.
>>>
>>> I noticed this when looking at a battery plugin that reported "127% charged".
>>> Some of these plugins have already "fixed" this in userspace by coding
>>> something like min(percentage, 100)).
>> A battery can be charged above 100%.  It just depends what you call 100%,
>> and the "I am full" level *varies* in a non-monotonic way during the battery
>> lifetime...
>>
>> So, if you don't want to see > 100%, you have to clamp it to 100% and lose
>> information (when your "100%" level is actually increasing as the thing
>> keeps charging and you keep raising the baseline so that it doesn't go over
>> 100%).
> 
> If the 100% level increased, then full_charge_capacity (a.k.a. "_last_
> full capacity" as seen in /proc) will increase as well, won't it? If
> the battery went over that 100% that means there is a "new" 100%, why
> are we losing information?.
> 
> I am asking, I am not an expert on battery stuff.
> 
>>> So I discovered that the battery wrongly returns charge_full_design when
>>> completely charged instead of charge_full.
>> Ick.
>>
>>> This patch fixes this by returning min(capacity_now, full_charge_capacity)
>>> on both procfs and sysfs.
>> What will it cause on non-broken batteries?  Or during gauge reset, when any
>> battery that updates full_charge_capacity only at the end of the cycle will
>> really have capacity_now > full_charge_capacity ?
> 
> Well, does it make sense to have capacity_now higher than
> full_charge_capacity? Wouldn't that information be broken too?
> 
> Again, I am just wondering.
> 
>>> Now the userspace plugins report the correct 100% and their userspace check
>>> may not be needed (if this error is the only one producing >100% results).
>> Like I said, > 100% can happen, unless what you define to be 100% is very
>> elastic (and gets updated all the time).
> 
> I still think it does not make sense to have a battery charged over
> its 100% capacity whatever the definition of 100% is. Maybe I do not
> understand your point.
> 
>> --
>>  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
>>  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
>>  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
>>  Henrique Holschuh
>>

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