linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86: introduce NMI_AUTO as nmi

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Date:	Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:20:51 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Aristeu Rozanski <aris@...hat.com>
Cc:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Fr?d?ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] x86: introduce NMI_AUTO as nmi_watchdog option


* Aristeu Rozanski <aris@...hat.com> wrote:

> > > > > NMI_AUTO is a new nmi_watchdog option that makes LAPIC be tried first 
> > > > > and if the CPU isn't supported, IOAPIC will be used. It's useful in 
> > > > > cases where NMI watchdog is enabled by default in a kernel built for 
> > > > > different machines. It can be configured by default or selected with 
> > > > > nmi_watchdog=3 or nmi_watchdog=auto parameters.
> > > > 
> > > > What i'd like to see for the NMI watchdog is much more ambitious than 
> > > > this: the use of perf events to run a periodic NMI callback.
> > > > 
> > > > The NMI watchdog would cause the creation of a per-cpu perf_event 
> > > > structure (in-kernel). All x86 CPUs that have perf event support (the 
> > > > majority of them) will thus be able to have an NMI watchdog using a 
> > > > nice, generic piece of code and we'd be able to phase out the open-coded 
> > > > NMI watchdog code.
> > > > 
> > > > The user would not notice much from this: we'd still have the 
> > > > /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog toggle to turn it on/off, and we'd still 
> > > > have the nmi_watchog= boot parameter as well. But the underlying 
> > > > implementation would be far more generic and far more usable than the 
> > > > current code.
> > > > 
> > > > Would you be interested in moving the NMI watchdog code in this 
> > > > direction? Most of the perf events changes (callbacks, helpers for 
> > > > in-kernel event allocations, etc.) are in latest -tip already, so you 
> > > > could use that as a base.
> > >
> > > but that would work only for LAPIC. You're suggesting killing IOAPIC 
> > > mode too?
> > 
> > Would it be a big loss, with all modern systems expected to have a 
> > working lapic based NMI source? I wrote the IOAPIC mode originally but i 
> > dont feel too attached to it ;-)
>
> ok, fair enough. but since it'll be another implementation, do you 
> mind applying the patches I submitted so they can be used until the 
> new implementation is in place?

For that i need to see at least an RFC v1 version series of the new 
implementation - otherwise we might end up sitting on this interim 
version with no-one doing the better variant.

Thanks,

	Ingo
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