linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v3b)

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Date:	Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:23:44 -0800
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>
Cc:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, josh@...htriplett.org,
	tglx@...utronix.de, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu, dhowells@...hat.com,
	laijs@...fujitsu.com, dipankar@...ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory
	barrier (v3b)

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:56:41PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:38:54AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > * Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:30:16PM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > > Here is an implementation of a new system call, sys_membarrier(), which
> > > > > executes a memory barrier on all threads of the current process.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It aims at greatly simplifying and enhancing the current signal-based
> > > > > liburcu userspace RCU synchronize_rcu() implementation.
> > > > > (found at http://lttng.org/urcu)
> > > > 
> > > > I didn't expect quite this comprehensive of an implementation from the
> > > > outset, but I guess I cannot complain.  ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Overall, good stuff.
> > > > 
> > > > Interestingly enough, what you have implemented is analogous to
> > > > synchronize_rcu_expedited() and friends that have recently been added
> > > > to the in-kernel RCU API.  By this analogy, my earlier semi-suggestion
> > > > of synchronize_rcu(0 would be a candidate non-expedited implementation.
> > > > Long latency, but extremely low CPU consumption, full batching of
> > > > concurrent requests (even unrelated ones), and so on.
> > > 
> > > Yes, the main different I think is that the sys_membarrier
> > > infrastructure focuses on IPI-ing only the current process running
> > > threads.
> > 
> > Which does indeed make sense for the expedited interface.  On the other
> > hand, if you have a bunch of concurrent non-expedited requests from
> > different processes, covering all CPUs efficiently satisfies all of
> > the requests in one go.  And, if you use synchronize_sched() for the
> > non-expedited case, there will be no IPIs in the common case.
> 
> So are you proposing we add a "int expedited" parameter to the
> system call, and let the caller choose between the ipi and
> synchronize_sched() schemes ?

Sure, why not?

> [...]
> > > > Also, is "top"
> > > > accurate given that the IPI handler will have interrupts disabled?
> > > 
> > > Probably not. AFAIK. "top" does not really consider interrupts into its
> > > accounting. So, better take this top output with a grain of salt or two.
> > 
> > Might need something like oprofile to get good info?
> 
> Could be. Although I just wanted to point out the kind of pattern we
> should expect. I'm not convinced it's so useful to give the detailed
> oprofile info. I'm rephrasing the above paragraph to state that top is
> not super-accurate here.

K.

							Thanx, Paul

> [...]
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> -- 
> Mathieu Desnoyers
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