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Date:	Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:07:02 -0500
From:	Siarhei Liakh <sliakh.lkml@...il.com>
To:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org, linux-next@...r.kernel.org,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@....de>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8] RO/NX protection for loadable kernel modules

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org> wrote:

> My current kernel has 52 modules loaded, most of them very small.
> Assuming the additional alignment of the data section cost two more
> pages on average (I think that's a good assumption), that's roughly
> 424KB of additional memory, plus associated runtime costs in increased
> TLB usage.

You are right about the additional memory consumption with this option
enabled. In worst case scenario, a one-page module will get split into
3 pages. This might be a significant and unwelcome increase in some
cases (embedded systems come to mind) and that is why this is
implemented as compile-time option.
However, on a general run-of-the-mill system the impact is not that
significant. Case in point: I run Ubuntu 9.04 amd x86_64 with stock
kernel on a generic AMD box. There are 111 modules loaded for all the
hardware in the box and all the functions that it provides (regular
consumer-grade hardware, but definitely not a typical home desktop
setup). In total, 111 modules consume 15590884 bytes, with no module
less then 10KB. After eliminating top 3 memory hogs (nvidia@8MB,
vboxdrv@...MB and snd_hda_intel@...MB) we left with 5007532 bytes, 108
modules and nfs leading the list at 300KB. Assuming the worst-case
scenario of 2 additional pages per module, we get
(5007532+108*8192)/5007532 = 1.18 - only 18%. In addition, most
modules already have some unused space left at the end of the last
page and some padding in the middle for page/cache-aligned data. With
that in mind, it looks to me that typical overhead will be about 1
page per module (9% for the case above, although I have no solid
statistics to back this up).

> What would I get for that if I applied the patch and enabled the option?

With this patch you get strict separation of code, RO-data and RW-data
in LKMs. This will prevent all attempts (intentional or erroneous) to
modify code and RO-data, while keeping all data non-executable. While
not targeted to prevent any specific exploit, this patch does improve
general kernel security. When combined with the other two patches I
have submitted (RW+NX for first megabyte and NX for static kernel
data), this patch set completely eliminates kernel pages with
executable data and modifiable code.

> Did you find any bugs with this option?

Well, so far I did not find any bugs in the last version of the patch,
but it definitely breaks any module that uses self-modifying code or
data execution.
An issue with ftrace have been reported earlier and fixed in V7.
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