Date:	Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:54:16 -0800
From:	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
To:	Robert Hancock <hancockrwd@...il.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux-usb <linux-usb@...r.kernel.org>,
	dbrownell@...rs.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.6.34] ehci-hcd: add option to enable 64-bit DMA
 support

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:46:29PM -0600, Robert Hancock wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com> wrote:
> >> > So you did not measure it?
> >> >
> >> > Hm, I guess this change must not be necessary :)
> >>
> >> I'll try and run some tests and see what I can quantify. However, I
> >> only have 4GB of RAM on my machine (with a 1GB memory hole) and so a
> >> random memory allocation only has a 25% chance of ending up in the
> >> area where it would make a difference, so it may take a bit of doing.
> >
> > Without any good justification, including real tests being run, I can't
> > take this patch, the risk is just too high.
> 
> Again, this particular patch has essentially zero risk for anyone that
> doesn't choose to experiment with the option. One can hardly say it
> presents much of a long-term maintenance burden either..

Then don't give them the option, as it doesn't seem needed :)

Again, it is tough to remove options once you add them, so not adding
them at all is the best thing to do.

> > And really, for USB 2.0 speeds, I doubt you are going to even notice
> > this kind of overhead, it's in the noise.  Especially given that almost
> > always the limiting factor is the device itself, not the host.
> 
> Well, I do have some results. This is from running this "dd
> if=/dev/sdg of=/dev/null bs=3800M iflag=direct" against an OCZ Rally2
> USB flash drive, which gets about 30 MB/sec on read, with CPU-burning
> tasks on all cores in the background. (The huge block size and
> iflag=direct is to try to force more of the IO to happen to memory
> above the 4GB mark.) With that workload, swiotlb_bounce shows up as
> between 1.5 to 4% of the CPU time spent in the kernel according to
> oprofile. Obviously with the 64-bit DMA enabled, that disappears. Of
> course, the overall kernel time is only around 2% of the total time,
> so that's a pretty small overall percentage.

2% is noise, right?  So overall you have not really shown any
improvement.

> I'll try some tests later with a faster SATA-to-IDE device that should
> stress things a bit more, but a huge difference doesn't seem likely.
> One thing that's uncertain is just how much of the IO is needing to be
> bounced - an even distribution of the buffer across all of physical
> RAM would suggest 25% in this case, but I don't know an easy way to
> verify that.
> 
> Aside from speed considerations though, I should point out another
> factor: IOMMU/SWIOTLB space is in many cases a limited resource for
> all IO in flight at a particular time (SWIOTLB is typically 64MB). The
> number of hits when Googling for "Out of IOMMU space" indicates it is
> a problem that people do hit from time to time. From that perspective,
> anything that prevents unnecessary use of bounce buffers is a good
> thing.

Sure, but again, for USB 2.0 stuff, we don't have many I/O in flight, as
they are pretty slow devices.

USB 3.0 is different, and that's a different driver, and hopefully that
is all addressed already :)

thanks,

greg k-h
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