linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH -tip] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v9)

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Date:	Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:36:35 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nicholas Miell <nmiell@...cast.net>, laijs@...fujitsu.com,
	dipankar@...ibm.com, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	josh@...htriplett.org, dvhltc@...ibm.com, niv@...ibm.com,
	tglx@...utronix.de, peterz@...radead.org, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu,
	dhowells@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...tel.com>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory
 barrier (v9)


* Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com> wrote:

> * Mathieu Desnoyers (mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com) wrote:
> > * Linus Torvalds (torvalds@...ux-foundation.org) wrote:
> > > >  - SA_RUNNING: a way to signal only running threads - as a way for user-space 
> > > >    based concurrency control mechanisms to deschedule running threads (or, like
> > > >    in your case, to implement barrier / garbage collection schemes).
> > > 
> > > Hmm. This sounds less fundamentally broken, but at the same time also 
> > > _way_ more invasive in the signal handling layer. It's already one of our 
> > > more "exciting" layers out there.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hrm, thinking about it a bit further, the only way I see we could provide a
> > usable SA_RUNNING flag would be to add hooks to the scheduler. These hooks would
> > somehow have to call user-space code (!) when scheduling in/out a thread. Yes,
> > this sounds utterly broken (since these hooks would have to be preemptable).
> > 
> > The idea is this: if we look, for instance, at the kernel preemptable RCU
> > implementations, they consist of two parts: one is iteration on all CPUs to
> > consider all active CPUs, and the other is a modification of the scheduler to
> > note all preempted tasks that were in a preemptable RCU C.S..
> > 
> > Just for the memory barrier we consider for sys_membarrier(), I had to ensure
> > that the scheduler issues memory barriers to order accesses to user-space memory
> > and mm_cpumask modifications. In reality, what we are doing is to ensure that
> > the operation required on the running thread is done by the scheduler too when
> > scheduling in/out the task.
> > 
> > As soon as we have signal handlers which perform more than a simple memory 
> > barrier (e.g. something that has side-effects outside of the processor), I 
> > doubt it would ever make sense to only run the handler on running threads 
> > unless we have hooks in the scheduler too.
> 
> Unless this question is answered, Ingo's SA_RUNNING signal proposal, as 
> appealing as it may look at a first glance, falls into the "fundamentally 
> broken" category. [...]

How is it different from your syscall? I.e. which lines of code make the 
difference? We could certainly apply the (trivial) barrier change to 
context_switch().

	Ingo
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