linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api.

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Date:	Mon, 3 May 2010 21:01:36 +0200
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
Cc:	Arve Hj??nnev??g <arve@...roid.com>,
	linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@...el.com>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...otime.net>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@...tuousgeek.org>,
	Magnus Damm <damm@...l.co.jp>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@...onice.net>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@...ibm.com>,
	Ming Lei <tom.leiming@...il.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@...il.com>,
	linux-doc@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api.

Hi!

> > > > As I explained before (and got no reply),  the proposed interface is
> > > > ugly. It uses one sysfs file to change semantics of another one.
> > > 
> > > In fact this behavior was discussed at the LF Collab Summit and no one
> > > involved had any problem with that.
> > 
> > Well, I explained why I disliked in previous mail in more details,
> 
> We do exactly the same thing with 'pm_test', so I'm not sure what the problem is.
> 
> > and neither you nor Arve explained why it is good solution.
> 
> Because it's less confusing.  Having two different attributes returning
> almost the same contents and working in a slightly different way wouldn't be
> too clean IMO.

No, I don't think it is similar to pm_test. pm_test is debug-only, and
orthogonal to state -- all combinations make sense.

With 'oportunistic > policy', state changes from blocking to
nonblocking (surprise!). Plus, it is not orthogonal:

(assume we added s-t-flash on android for powersaving... or imagine I
get oportunistic suspend working on PC --I was there with limited
config on x60).

policy: oportunistic forced

state: on mem disk

First disadvantage of proposed interface is that while 'opportunistic
mem' is active, I can't do 'forced disk' to save bit more power.

Next, not all combinations make sense.

oportunistic on == forced <nothing>

oportunistic disk -- probably something that will not be implemented
any time soon.

oportunistic mem -- makes sense.

forced on -- NOP

forced mem  -- makes sense.

forced disk -- makes sense.

So we have matrix of 7 possibilities, but only 4 make sense... IMO its confusing.



								Pavel

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