linux-kernel - Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)

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Date:	Mon, 17 May 2010 15:49:35 -0400
From:	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...e.de>
To:	me@...ipebalbi.com
Cc:	Kevin Hilman <khilman@...prootsystems.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	linux-omap@...r.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
	Geoff Smith <geoffx.smith@...el.com>,
	Brian Swetland <swetland@...gle.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@...nsource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Liam Girdwood <lrg@...mlogic.co.uk>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)

On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 22:39 +0300, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> hi,
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:38:40PM +0300, Felipe Balbi wrote:
> > that's a whole other story. Hardware issues are things which in 99.999%
> > of the cases we can't change. We have to work around them. Software
> > bugs, on the other hand, can be fixed much more easily. I'm sure you
> > agree with that, don't you ?
> > 
> > Trying to make a comparisson between hardware bug and software bug is
> > simply non-sense in this case.
> 
> before you reply saying that most of the problems are firmware bugs, try
> to file a bug to any of the usb storage manufacturers and wait for them
> to fix. It's virtualy impossible, so let's consider it a problem that
> has to be worked around.

Right, because Firmware writers are from the rugged unresponsive uplands
of planet
ignore-user-complaints-and-eat-them-for-breakfast-if-they-file-bugs and
Software writers are from the emollient responsive groves of planet
harmony.  Obviously what would work for one wouldn't work for the other.

As a software writer, I fully buy into that world view.  The trouble is
that when I go to dinner with hardware people, they seem to be awfully
nice chaps ... almost exactly like me, in fact ...

James



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