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Date:	Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:28:02 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@...hat.com>
To:	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...e.de>
cc:	device-mapper development <dm-devel@...hat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@...hat.com>, axboe@...nel.dk,
	linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org, martin.petersen@...cle.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH 1/2] block: fix leaks associated with discard
 request payload

> > It is either/or choice. If the interface isn't fixed NOW, the existing 
> > flawed zeroed-page-allocation interface gets into RHEL
> 
> That's a false dichotomy.  You might see an either apply this hack now
> or support the interface choice with RHEL, but upstream has the option
> to fix stuff correctly.  RHEL has never needed my blessing to apply
> random crap to their kernel before ... why is this patch any different?

We can't apply non-upstream patches (except few exceptions such as 
dm-raid45). It makes sense, non-upstream patches have smaller test 
coverage.

> And the rest of this rubbish is based on that false premise.  It might
> help you to take off your SCSI antipathy and see this as a system
> problem: it actually originates in block and spills out from there.
> Thus it requires a system solution.
> 
> James

Imagine this: I take a FPGA PCI board, I design a storage controller on it 
and this controller will need 3 pages to process a discard request. Now I 
say: I refuse to allocate these 3 pages in the driver because the driver 
would look ugly --- instead, I demand that everyone in the Linux kernel 
who creates a discard request must attach 3 pages to the request for my 
driver.

Do you think it is correct behavior? Would you accept such a driver? I 
guess you wouldn't! But this is the same thing that you are doing with 
SCSI.

Now lets take it a bit further and I say "I may clean up the driver for my 
controller one day, when I do it, I remove that 3-page requirement --- and 
then, everyone who allocated those pages will have to change his code and 
remove the allocations".

And this is what you are intending to do with SCSI.

Mikulas
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