Date:	Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:20:25 +0900
From:	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>
To:	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>
Cc:	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2][BUGFIX] oom: remove totalpage normalization from
 oom_badness()

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:50:22 -0700 (PDT)
David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> 
> > Hmm. I'll add a text like following to cgroup/memory.txt. O.K. ?
> > 
> > ==
> > Notes on oom_score and oom_score_adj.
> > 
> > oom_score is calculated as
> > 	oom_score = (taks's proportion of memory) + oom_score_adj.
> > 
> 
> I'd replace "memory" with "memory limit (or memsw limit)" so it's clear 
> we're talking about the amount of memory available to task.
> 
ok.

> > Then, when you use oom_score_adj to control the order of priority of oom,
> > you should know about the amount of memory you can use.
> 
> Hmm, you need to know the amount of memory that you can use iff you know 
> the memcg limit and it's a static value.  Otherwise, you only need to know 
> the "memory usage of your application relative to others in the same 
> cgroup."  An oom_score_adj of +300 adds 30% of that memcg's limit to the 
> task, allowing all other tasks to use 30% more memory than that task with 
> it still be killed.  An oom_score_adj of -300 allows that task to use 30% 
> more memory than other tasks without getting killed.  These don't need to 
> know the actual limit.
> 

Hmm. What's complicated is oom_score_adj's behavior.


> > So, an approximate oom_score under memcg can be
> > 
> >  memcg_oom_score = (oom_score - oom_score_adj) * system_memory/memcg's limit
> > 		+ oom_score_adj.
> > 
> 
> Right, that's the exact score within the memcg.
> 
> But, I still wouldn't encourage a formula like this because the memcg 
> limit (or cpuset mems, mempolicy nodes, etc) are dynamic and may change 
> out from under us.  So it's more important to define oom_score_adj in the 
> user's mind as a proportion of memory available to be added (either 
> positively or negatively) to its memory use when comparing it to other 
> tasks.  The point is that the memcg limit isn't interesting in this 
> formula, it's more important to understand the priority of the task 
> _compared_ to other tasks memory usage in that memcg.
> 

yes. For defineing/understanding priority, oom_score_adj is that.
But it's priority isn't static.

> It probably would be helpful, though, if you know that a vital system task 
> uses 1G, for instance, in a 4G memcg that an oom_score_adj of -250 will 
> disable oom killing for it.  

yes.

> If that tasks leaks memory or becomes 
> significantly large, for whatever reason, it could be killed, but we _can_ 
> discount the 1G in comparison to other tasks as the "cost of doing 
> business" when it comes to vital system tasks:
> 
> 	(memory usage) * (memory+swap limit / system memory)
> 

yes. under 8G system, -250 will allow ingnoring 2G of usage.

== How about this text ? ==

When you set a task's oom_score_adj, it can get priority not to be oom-killed.
oom_score_adj gives priority proportional to the memory limitation.

Assuming you set -250 to oom_score_adj.

Under 4G memory limit, it gets 25% of bonus...1G memory bonus for avoiding OOM.
Under 8G memory limit, it gets 25% of bonus...2G memory bonus for avoiding OOM.

Then, what bonus a task can get depends on the context of OOM. If you use
oom_score_adj and want to give bonus to a task, setting it in regard with
minimum memory limitation which a task is under will work well.
==

Thanks,
-Kame

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