linux-kernel - Re: Sensors and the input layer (was Re: [RFC] [PATCH V2 1/2] input: CMA3000 Accelerometer driver)

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:10:41 -0500
From:	Felipe Balbi <me@...ipebalbi.com>
To:	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>
Cc:	Hemanth V <hemanthv@...com>, <linux-input@...r.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-omap@...r.kernel.org>,
	<igor.stoppa@...ia.com>, <kai.svahn@...ia.com>,
	<mathias.nyman@...ia.com>
Subject: Re: Sensors and the input layer (was Re: [RFC] [PATCH V2 1/2] input:
 CMA3000 Accelerometer driver)

Hi,

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:28:56 -0700, Dmitry Torokhov
<dmitry.torokhov@...il.com> wrote:
>> When we tried to push N900's accelerometer driver as an
>> input device you commented you didn't want sensors such
>> as accelerometers, magnetometers, proximity, etc on the
>> input layer because "they are not user input", although
>> I didn't fully agree with you, we had to modify the drivers
>> and, I believe, one of them is sitting in staging under
>> the industrial i/o subsystem.
>> 
>> Are you now accepting sensor drivers on the input layer ?
>> that will make our life a lot easier but we need some
>> definition to avoid having to re-work drivers when we
>> want to push them to mainline.
>> 
> 
> I got persuaded that 3-axis accelerometers are most often indended to be
> used as input devices so I decided I should take these in (adxl134x is
> there). I still think that sensor devices in general are better suited
> to IIO subsystem and I hope it will get out of staging soon.
> 
> Once it is out of staging we may think about creating a IIO-to-input
> bridge (copuld be either in kernel or a userspace solution based on
> uinput) to route sensors that are indeed used as HIDs.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.

It kinda does, but such sensors will be more and more used as
input devices, specially for gaming on mobile devices.

For example a proximity sensor might be used as the trigger
button on a first person shooting game; accelerometers will
be used to walk through the map and a magnetometer might be
used to look behind you and a gyroscope to turn around your
own axis.

In the end, the user is the one moving the device around and
generating such events, so why not avoiding yet another
subsystem if we will have to resort to solutions such as
iio-to-input bridge, which smells like a hackish solution
to get input events from sensors anyway.

I really hope I could convince you that, on mobile at least,
sensors will be mostly used as HID devices and will give
app developers new ways for them to allow users to interact
with their app.

Take a look at how a gyroscope is used on iphone, for
instance [1].

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORcu-c-qnjg

-- 
balbi
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/