Date:	Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:22:24 +0800
From:	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
To:	Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@...il.com>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...nel.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees

Hi Aidar,

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:09:36PM +0600, Aidar Kultayev wrote:
> QUOTE:***
> And yes, we'd very much like to fix such slowdowns via heuristics as
> well (detecting large sequential IO and not letting it poison the
> existing cache), so good bugreports and reproducing testcases sent to
> linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org and people willing to try out
> experimental kernel patches would definitely be welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ingo
> 
> *** http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/10/23/1828251/The-State-of-Linux-IO-Scheduling-For-the-Desktop#commentlisting
> 
> I'll be rather quick & to the point here.
> 
> I get & run stable kernels the same day they appear on kernel.org in
> hope to get away from these annoying, ignored, neglected slowdowns.
> 
> .config attached - I have Lenovo ThinkPad T400, Core2Duo T9400, 4Gb
> DDR2, w/integrated GM45 - xf86-video-intel, iwlagn for the intel 5300
> wifi, CFS, ext2 for
> swap partition - 4Gb, ext3 for boot, ext4 - 400Gb for everything else.

If possible I'd suggest to turn off the swap and check if it helps.
Some people reports(*) desktop responsiveness problems that can be
poor-man-fixed by disabling swap.

(*) https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309

> All the hardware I have runs linux natively.
> No kernel helped me from the days of 2.6.28.x upto 2.6.36. The dubbed
> slowdown fixes never worked for me.

There are multiple causes of slowdown. 2.6.36 includes some easy fix.
The swap problem is (maybe partly) root caused(**), however will need a
rather complex and intrusive patch to fix.

(**) http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-fsdevel/msg35397.html

Thanks,
Fengguang

> The kernel config choices are rather typical : NO_HZ, I don't go crazy for
> 1000Hz and use 100 or 250Hz and voluntary preemption.
> Regarding the userland:
> Love choices, hence nothing but Gentoo + KDE4. Multilib. Some relevant
> info here:
> 
> ==============================================================================================
> emerge --info
> Portage 2.1.8.3 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop, gcc-4.5.1,
> glibc-2.11.2-r0, 2.6.36 x86_64)
> =================================================================
> System uname: Linux-2.6.36-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-2_Duo_CPU_T9400_@...53GHz-with-gentoo-1.12.13
> Timestamp of tree: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:30:01 +0000
> app-shells/bash:     4.1_p7
> dev-java/java-config: 2.1.11
> dev-lang/python:     2.5.4-r4, 2.6.5-r3, 3.1.2-r4
> dev-util/cmake:      2.8.1-r2
> sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.13
> sys-apps/sandbox:    2.3-r1
> sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.65-r1
> sys-devel/automake:  1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r4, 1.9.6-r3, 1.10.3, 1.11.1
> sys-devel/binutils:  2.20.1-r1
> sys-devel/gcc:       4.5.1
> sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1
> sys-devel/libtool:   2.2.10
> sys-devel/make:      3.81-r2
> CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=native"
> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/lib/hsqldb"
> CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d
> /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf
> /etc/php/apache2-php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5/ext-active/
> /etc/php/cli-php5/ext-active/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d
> /etc/terminfo"
> CXXFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=native"
> ==============================================================================================
> 
> Now, I know, Ingo said he wants : "good bugreports and reproducing
> testcases" and my testcase is very real life and rather replicates my
> typical use of computer these days:
> 
> - VirtualBox running XP only to look at some 2007 ppts ( the Ooo3
> doens't cut it )
> - JuK ( or VLC ) KDE's music player - some music in the background
> - Chromium browser, with bunch of tabs with J2EE/J2SE javadocs, eats
> out some significant swap space
> - bash terminals
> - ktorrent
> - PDFs opened in okular, Adobe reader
> - sync'ing portage tree & emerging new ebuilds ( usually with gentoo )
> - Netbeans, Eclipse, apache, vsftd, sshd, tomcat and the whole 9 yards.
> 
> How do I notice slowdowns ? The JuK lags so badly that it can't play
> any music, the mouse pointer freezes, kwin effects freeze for few
> seconds.
> How can I make it much worse ? I can try & run disk clean up under XP,
> that is running in VBox, with folder compression. On top of it if I
> start copying big files in linux ( 700MB avis, etc ), GUI effects
> freeze, mouse pointer freezes for few seconds.
> 
> And this is on 2.6.36 that is supposed to cure these "features". From
> this perspective, 2.6.36 is no better than any previous stable kernel
> I've tried. Probably as bad with regards to IO issues.
> 
> 
> Find attached screenshot ( latencytop_n_powertop.png ) which depicts
> artifacts where the window manager froze at the time I was trying to
> see a tab in Konsole where the powertop was running.
> 
> At the time, in the other tabs of the Konsole the following was running :
> .dd if=/dev/zero of=test.10g bs=1M count=10000;rm test.10g
> .cp /home/ak/1.distr/Linux/openSUSE-11.2-DVD-x86_64.iso
> /home/lameruser/;rm /home/lameruser/openSUSE-11.2-DVD-x86_64.iso;
> .dd if=/dev/zero of=test.10g bs=1M count=10000;rm test.10g
> .cp /home/ak/funeral.avi /home/ak/0.junk/;rm /home/ak/0.junk/funeral.avi
> .the XP under VBox was compacting its old files.
> 
> the iso is about 4Gb, the avi is about 700Mb
> 
> I do follow the problem here :
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309
> 
> This is a monumental failure for kernel development project and FLOSS
> in general.
> Poor management, no leadership/championship, no responsibility, neglect

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