linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v1.1 0/5] IMA: making i_readcount a first class inode citizen

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Date:	Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:12:01 -0400
From:	Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Eric Paris <eparis@...hat.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, jmorris@...ei.org,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
	viro@...iv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1.1 0/5] IMA: making i_readcount a first class inode
 citizen

On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 21:22 -0400, Eric Paris wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 15:45 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > Based on the previous posting discussion, i_readcount is now defined as
> > atomic.
> > 
> > This patchset separates the incrementing/decrementing of the i_readcount,
> > in the VFS layer, from other IMA functionality, by replacing the current
> > ima_counts_get() call with iget_readcount(). Its unclear whether this
> > call to increment i_readcount should be made earlier, like i_writecount.
> > 
> > The patch ordering is a bit redundant in order to leave removing the ifdef
> > around i_readcount until the last patch. The first four patches: redefines 
> > i_readcount as atomic, defines iget/iput_readcount(), moves the IMA
> > functionality in ima_counts_get() to ima_file_check(), and removes the IMA
> > imbalance code, simplifying IMA. The last patch moves iput_readcount()
> > to the fs directory and removes the ifdef around i_readcount, making
> > i_readcount into a "first class inode citizen".
> > 
> > The generic_setlease code could then take advantage of i_readcount.
> 
> Hey Mimi, 
> 
> couple of comment and questions, can you help me understand what you
> believe the three locks in question are currently protecting?  And
> remember I already said I don't think they are quite right before you
> started so try not to use that as your example   :)
> 
> inode->i_lock

It shouldn't be necessary. As you originally said, 

> > My thought was that the IMA read/write checks should happen AFTER
> > the i_writecount and i_readcount counters were updated.  Thus even
> > if we raced with another task we can rest assured that the other
> > task would catch the situation we missed....

> inode->i_mutex

As the measurement policy is based on file metdata (eg, permissions,
xattrs), the mutex is taken to prevent the file metadata from changing,
while making the measurement decision.

> iint->mutex

Taken when accessing/modifying the iint structure.

> I also question you finishing in patch 5/5 with:
> 
> +void iput_readcount(struct inode *inode)
> +{
> +       spin_lock(&inode->i_lock);
> +       if (unlikely((atomic_read(&inode->i_readcount) == 0)))
> +               printk(KERN_INFO "i_readcount: imbalance ino %ld\n",
> +                      inode->i_ino);
> +       else
> +               atomic_dec(&inode->i_readcount);
> +       spin_unlock(&inode->i_lock);
> +}
> 
> obviously I wonder what the locking is for, but really I question why we
> need this as a conditional at all.  If we are really worried it should
> be a WARN_ON() or BUG() but personally I wonder if we need it at all.
> The VFS is by supposed to get stuff right.  All of the interesting
> checks around IMA were mostly needed because IMA was an object that hung
> off the side of the VFS and you couldn't be certain that all filesystems
> were adhering to the calling conventions you thought were correct.
> Since we've pretty much moved all of this into the VFS its about time we
> stop wasting time wondering if our assumptions are correct.  These are
> pretty hot paths and I'm all for cutting down the IMA overhead on them.
> If we do that this function becomes:
> 
> BUG_ON(!atomic_read(&inode->i_readcount))
> atomic_dec(&inode->i_readcont);

yes, nice.

> it also means that we don't need to set the i_readcount to 0 in
> inode_init_always() from patch 3....

True, and init_once() sets the inode structure to 0.

thanks,

Mimi

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