Date:	Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:38:02 +0200
From:	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@...glemail.com>
To:	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc:	Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
	linux-next <linux-next@...r.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>,
	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@...cle.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>, Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...nel.dk>
Subject: Re: linux-next: Tree for March 25 (Call trace: RCU|workqueues|block|VFS|ext4
 related?)

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Paul E. McKenney
<paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 06:24:36AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:33:36PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Paul E. McKenney
>> > <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:48:30PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Paul E. McKenney
>> > >> <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > >> > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 02:26:15PM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Paul E. McKenney
>> > >> >> <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 08:25:29PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>> > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:30:34AM +0200, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>> > >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:09 AM, Paul E. McKenney
>> > >> >> >> > <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >> > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:15:22PM +0100, Sedat Dilek wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > [ . . . ]
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > >> But then came RCU :-(.
>> > >> >> >> > >
>> > >> >> >> > > Well, if it turns out to be a problem in RCU I will certainly apologize.
>> > >> >> >> > >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > No, that's not so dramatic.
>> > >> >> >> > Dealing with this RCU issue has nice side-effects: I remembered (and
>> > >> >> >> > finally did) to use a reduced kernel-config set.
>> > >> >> >> > The base for it I created with 'make localmodconfig' and did some
>> > >> >> >> > manual fine-tuning afterwards (throw out media, rc, dvd, unneeded FSs,
>> > >> >> >> > etc.).
>> > >> >> >> > Also, I can use fresh gcc-4.6 (4.6.0-1) from the official Debian repos.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > So, I started building with
>> > >> >> >> > "revert-rcu-patches/0001-Revert-rcu-introduce-kfree_rcu.patch".
>> > >> >> >> > I will let you know.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> And please also check for tasks consuming all available CPU.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > And I still cannot reproduce with the full RCU stack (but based off of
>> > >> >> > 2.6.38 rather than -next).  Nevertheless, if you would like to try a
>> > >> >> > speculative patch, here you go.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> You are right and my strategy on handling the (possible RCU?) issue is wrong.
>> > >> >> Surely, you tested your RCU stuff in your own repo and everything
>> > >> >> might be OK on top of stable 2.6.38.
>> > >> >> Linux-next gets daily updates from a lot of different trees, so there
>> > >> >> might be interferences with other stuff.
>> > >> >> Please, understand I am interested in finding out what is the cause
>> > >> >> for my issues, my aim is not to blame you.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I am not worried about blame, but rather getting the bug fixed.  The
>> > >> > bug might be in RCU, it might be elsewhere, or it might be a combination
>> > >> > of problems in RCU and elsewhere.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > So the first priority is locating the bug.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > And that is why I have been asking you over and over to PLEASE take
>> > >> > a look at what tasks are consuming CPU while the problem is occuring.
>> > >> > The reason that I have been asking over and over is that the symptoms
>> > >> > you describe are likely caused by a loop in some kernel code.  Yes,
>> > >> > there might be other causes, but this is the most likely.  Given that
>> > >> > TREE_PREEMPT_RCU behaves better than TREE_RCU, it is likely that this
>> > >> > loop is in preemptible code with irqs enabled.  Therefore, the process
>> > >> > accounting code is likely to be able to see the CPU consumption, and
>> > >> > you should be able to see it via the "top" or "ps" commands -- or via
>> > >> > any number of other tools.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > For example, if the problem is confined to RCU, you would likely see
>> > >> > the "rcuc0" or "rcun0" tasks consuming lots of CPU.  This would narrow
>> > >> > the problem down to a few tens of lines of code.  If the problem was
>> > >> > in some other kthread, then identifying the kthread would very likely
>> > >> > narrow things down as well.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > So, please do take a look to see what taks consuming CPU.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> As I was wrong and want to be 99.9% sure it is RCU stuff, I reverted
>> > >> >> all (18) RCU patches from linux-next (next-20110325) by keeping the
>> > >> >> RCU|PREEMPT|HZ settings from last working next-20110323.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Makes sense.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> $ egrep 'RCU|PREEMPT|_HZ' /boot/config-2.6.38-next20110325-7-686-iniza
>> > >> >> # RCU Subsystem
>> > >> >> CONFIG_TREE_RCU=y
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is not set
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_RCU_TRACE is not set
>> > >> >> CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT=32
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_RCU_FANOUT_EXACT is not set
>> > >> >> CONFIG_RCU_FAST_NO_HZ=y
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_TREE_RCU_TRACE is not set
>> > >> >> CONFIG_PREEMPT_NOTIFIERS=y
>> > >> >> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set
>> > >> >> CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
>> > >> >> CONFIG_HZ_250=y
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set
>> > >> >> CONFIG_HZ=250
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_SPARSE_RCU_POINTER is not set
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST is not set
>> > >> >> # CONFIG_RCU_CPU_STALL_DETECTOR is not set
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I will work and stress this kernel before doing any step-by-step
>> > >> >> revert of RCU stuff.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Thanks for your patch, I applied it on top of "naked" next-20110325,
>> > >> >> but I still see call-traces.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thank you very much for testing it!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I intend to keep that patch, as it should increase robustness in other
>> > >> > situations.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >                                                        Thanx, Paul
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> - Sedat -
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >                                                        Thanx, Paul
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > rcu: further lower priority in rcu_yield()
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Although rcu_yield() dropped from real-time to normal priority, there
>> > >> >> > is always the possibility that the competing tasks have been niced.
>> > >> >> > So nice to 19 in rcu_yield() to help ensure that other tasks have a
>> > >> >> > better chance of running.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > diff --git a/kernel/rcutree.c b/kernel/rcutree.c
>> > >> >> > index 759f54b..5477764 100644
>> > >> >> > --- a/kernel/rcutree.c
>> > >> >> > +++ b/kernel/rcutree.c
>> > >> >> > @@ -1492,6 +1492,7 @@ static void rcu_yield(void (*f)(unsigned long), unsigned long arg)
>> > >> >> >        mod_timer(&yield_timer, jiffies + 2);
>> > >> >> >        sp.sched_priority = 0;
>> > >> >> >        sched_setscheduler_nocheck(current, SCHED_NORMAL, &sp);
>> > >> >> > +       set_user_nice(current, 19);
>> > >> >> >        schedule();
>> > >> >> >        sp.sched_priority = RCU_KTHREAD_PRIO;
>> > >> >> >        sched_setscheduler_nocheck(current, SCHED_FIFO, &sp);
>> > >>
>> > >> Sorry, my attempt was to identify and isolate the culprit commit.
>> > >>
>> > >> Reverting all RCU patches resulted in a stable system, the following 8
>> > >> kernels with reduced k-config setup where all built using this kernel.
>> > >>
>> > >> All kernels used TREE_RCU (see above), I did not change it (no
>> > >> mixing/switching to PREEMPT and TREE_PREEMPT_RCU).
>> > >> ( I doubt that TREE_PREEMPT_RCU was some kind of more stable here. )
>> > >>
>> > >> The culprit commit is bc56163ebd4580199ac7e63f5e160bf139ba0dd6 (from
>> > >> rcu/next GIT tree):
>> > >> "rcu: move TREE_RCU from softirq to kthread"
>> > >
>> >
>> > Hi Paul,
>> >
>> > > OK, please accept my apologies for your lost weekend.  And thank you for
>> > > testing this.
>> > >
>> >
>> > No worries, it was mostly a rainy day.
>> > The only thing I did @ 16:30 was to go to regional election (the new
>> > (regional) prime minister will be the 1st from The German Green
>> > party).
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> > But back to RCU :-):
>> > The reduced kernel-config setup decreased the build-time from approx.
>> > 2hrs (full, generic build) down to approx. 35mins.
>>
>> Very good!
>>
>> > >> I can do parallelly a tar job, open 20 tabs in firefox and run a flash
>> > >> video in one of them (I did this several times).
>> > >
>> > > How many files in the tar job?  Is this creating a tar archive, expanding
>> > > it, or both?
>> >
>> > I am doing a simple tar (filesize: 1.6G for full and 1.0G for reduced build):
>> >
>> > $ tar -cf $archivedir-on-external-usbhdd/$tarfile $kernel-build-dir
>>
>> OK, I was extracting a tarball and then removing the resulting source
>> tree.  I will try this.  Though it does seem strange -- I can understand
>> how removing a file tree would stress RCU, but not creating a tarball.
>> Ah, well, if I fully understood it, there would not be a bug.
>>
>> > ...plus parallelly opening 20 tabs in firefox.
>> > That's normally enough to get my system freaky and see RCU related
>> > messages in the logs.
>>
>> Hmmm...  My normal test systems don't have X -- I will need to set
>> this up.
>>
>> > > Do you have a script for this?  Are all of these running at normal
>> > > priority, or are some of them running at real-time priority?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Nothing special.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> > >> [ setup.log ]
>> > >> ...
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0001-Revert-rcu-introduce-kfree_rcu.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0002-Revert-rcu-fix-spelling.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0003-Revert-rcu-fix-rcu_cpu_kthread_task-synchronization.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0004-Revert-rcu-call-__rcu_read_unlock-in-exit_rcu-for-tr.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0005-Revert-rcu-Converge-TINY_RCU-expedited-and-normal-bo.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0006-Revert-rcu-remove-useless-boosted_this_gp-field.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0007-Revert-rcu-code-cleanups-in-TINY_RCU-priority-boosti.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0008-Revert-rcu-Switch-to-this_cpu-primitives.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0009-Revert-rcu-Use-WARN_ON_ONCE-for-DEBUG_OBJECTS_RCU_HE.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0010-Revert-rcu-Enable-DEBUG_OBJECTS_RCU_HEAD-from-PREEMP.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0011-Revert-rcu-Add-boosting-to-TREE_PREEMPT_RCU-tracing.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0012-Revert-rcu-eliminate-unused-boosting-statistics.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0013-Revert-rcu-priority-boosting-for-TREE_PREEMPT_RCU.patch
>> > >>   (+) OK   revert-rcu-patches/0014-Revert-rcu-move-TREE_RCU-from-softirq-to-kthread.patch
>> > >> ...
>> > >>
>> > >> Hope this helps to narrow down the problem.
>> > >>
>> > >> As I kept all kernels I can have a look at the tasks consuming high
>> > >> CPU usage tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > > Could you please?
>> >
>> > I recalled (as you say I requested over and over again from you :-)) I
>> > looked with top, htop and 'ps axu', but there was nothing special.
>> > Sometimes the system got frozen - at this point (or short before) I
>> > did not see anything suspicious with top.
>>
>> OK, thank you for the info.
>>
>> > > Also, could you please mount debugfs and list out the files in the
>> > > "rcu" directory?  The "ql=" value from the "rcu/rcudata" file is of
>> > > particular interest.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Ah, before I forget...
>> >
>> > I used TREE_RCU (was the default before noticing RCU issue) for
>> > finding the culprit commit.
>> > If it is from your POV more helpful to switch to PREEMPT + PREEMPT_RCU
>> > + RCU_BOOST, please let me *now* know.
>> > ( Both RCU setups freaks up the system. )
>>
>> If TREE_RCU hits problems faster, it is probably best to stay with
>> TREE_RCU.
>
> And of course, one exception to this advice is if TREE_RCU hangs so hard
> and fast that you don't have time to get any diagnostics.  If this is the
> case, then TREE_PREEMPT_RCU might be more productive.
>

OK, that would somehow explain why I could not really get some debug
infos when doing "my stress-test" and checking via:

$ LC_ALL=C tail -f /sys/kernel/debug/rcu/rcudata

Then I remembered I saw a snippet for a RCU torture script mentionned
in the kernel-docs (see Documentation/RCU/torture.txt).

189 The following script may be used to torture RCU:
190
191         #!/bin/sh
192
193         modprobe rcutorture
194         sleep 100
195         rmmod rcutorture
196         dmesg | grep torture:

So, I recompiled a new TREE_RC-based kernel and build with
CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST=m.

Unfortunately, the rmmod (I prefer modprobe -r -v) hangs... the
messages in the logs look promising.

- Sedat -



>                                                        Thanx, Paul
>
>> > I think top & Co. are not enough to track the problem down.
>> > I have seen tracing and debugging facililities for RCU.
>> >
>> > Some questions to debug and trace setup:
>> >
>> > Case #1: TREE_RCU
>> >
>> > CONFIG_RCU_TRACE=y
>> > CONFIG_TREE_RCU_TRACE=y
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> > Case #2: PREEMPT + PREEMPT_RCU + RCU_BOOST
>> >
>> > CONFIG_RCU_TRACE=y
>> > CONFIG_TREE_RCU_TRACE=y
>> > CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT=y <--- Helpful?
>> > CONFIG_PREEMPT_TRACER=y <--- Helpful?
>> >
>> > Any other recommends for useful/helpful trace and/or debug options?
>> >
>> > Any other intructions for debugging/tracing?
>>
>> Not at the moment.  I will be looking at diagnostics will going
>> through the code, so might have something later.
>>
>> > BTW, today's linux-next (next-20110328) is still freaky, I applied the
>> > revert-rcu-patches patchset and all is fine.
>>
>> I reverted back to the commit preceding the one you pointed out last night
>> my time, so the upcoming -next should be less freaky.
>>
>> > - Sedat -
>> >
>> > P.S.: Note to myself
>> >
>> > # mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug/
>> > # ln -s /sys/kernel/debug /debug
>> >
>> > # find /debug -name rcu
>>
>> Or:
>>
>> # cd /debug/rcu
>>
>> then dump out everything except for the .csv file (which is the same
>> as the non-.csv equivalent, but in spreadsheet format -- intended
>> for systems with 100s or 1000s of CPUs).
>>
>>                                                       Thanx, Paul
>

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