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Message-ID: <20110530105937.GB20133@elte.hu>
Date:	Mon, 30 May 2011 12:59:37 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@....edu>
Cc:	x86@...nel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Jesper Juhl <jj@...osbits.net>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@...ell.com>,
	richard -rw- weinberger <richard.weinberger@...il.com>,
	Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@...uu.se>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/10] x86-64: Emulate vsyscalls


* Andrew Lutomirski <luto@....edu> wrote:

> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> wrote:
> >
> > * Andy Lutomirski <luto@....EDU> wrote:
> >
> >> There's a fair amount of code in the vsyscall page, and who knows
> >> what will happen if an exploit jumps into the middle of it.  Reduce
> >> the risk by replacing most of it with short magic incantations that
> >> are useless if entered in the middle.  This change can be disabled
> >> by CONFIG_UNSAFE_VSYSCALLS (default y).
> >
> > btw., please flip the default or consider removing the option
> > altogether.
> >
> > We want to improve security and we want safe vsyscalls the default,
> > and it's no good if we make it too easy for users to keep the fire
> > door open all the time! :-)
> 
> I'd advocate waiting until glibc 2.14 comes out with this change:
> 
> http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=a8509ca540427502bd955f35296ff7b727c7a8a1
> 
> I want to add a warning (ratelimited to an extremely low rate) in v3
> whenever any of the vsyscalls get used telling users that their legacy
> code is suffering a performance impact, but it seems like bad form to
> tell people to build glibc from git to avoid a regression.

But only statically built binaries would be impacted in practice, 
right? The number of statically built binaries that heavily rely on 
vsyscalls ought to be a very small set ...

Thanks,

	Ingo
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