linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] printk: support structured and multi-facility log messages

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Date:	Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:51:11 -0700
From:	Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>
To:	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>
Cc:	Kay Sievers <kay@...y.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartmann <greg@...ah.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk: support structured and multi-facility log
 messages

On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 03:14 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Joe Perches wrote:
> 
> > > > - Output of dev_printk() is reliably machine-readable now. In addition
> > > >   to the printed plain text message, it creates a log dictionary with the
> > > >   following properties:
> > > >     SUBSYSTEM=     - the driver-core subsytem name
> > > >     DEVICE=
> > > >       b12:8        - block dev_t
> > > >       c127:3       - char dev_t
> > > >       n8           - netdev ifindex
> > > >       +sound:card0 - subsystem:devname
> > > 
> > > One of the questions that hasn't been raised yet, and which I personally 
> > > consider crucial -- are we making printk() interface part of userspace ABI 
> > > now by this?
> > 
> > I hope not.
> 
> And how exactly do we prevent that? It's a systematic and well-defined 
> interface between kernel and userspace, and as such it's hard to not 
> consider it to be ABI.
> 
> > > Today, we are free to change any printk()s and not feel guilty about it at 
> > > all. With this, we are making the whole thing much more systematic and 
> > > friendly for automatic userspace consumption.
> > 
> > It _may_ be that new KEYWORD=VALUE combinations may become systematic 
> > and an ABI, but the content of the message is still arbitrary and should 
> > be designated as changeable without notice.
> 
> I bet there would be "you broke my userspace app because it was depending 
> on the printk() you just removed" bugreport coming from someone very soon. 
> 
> We can then either start explaining why this structured and well-defined 
> printk() is not ABI, or just don't allow for that to happen in the first 
> place by keeping printk() what it has always been -- unstructured linear 
> flow of log entries destined only to be read by humans.

I think the commit log is poor.

printk() is effectively unmodified.

Generic helpers like dev_printk() can have an extra bit
prepended in the form of device/class/name.

All dev_printk device/class/name does is show what device
emitted a message.  It doesn't limit the message content.
The content of the message after that device/class/name
is still arbitrary.

No other use has been proposed, that's why I think it's
not all that valuable (yet?).

I do think that printk_emit, which I think is a bad name,
( maybe printk_tva() or printk_desc() ) has some value.

The record oriented change also has value as it can more
easily be optionally extended to compress/decompress the
text message to save memory space per record.  Of course
that'd only be valuable when CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT is
large enough to gain something by using compression.


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