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Date:	Thu, 31 May 2012 13:17:59 -0700
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
CC:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@...achi.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] x86: Allow nesting of the debug stack IDT setting

On 05/31/2012 01:00 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> It doesn't ;-)
> 
> But we don't know if it is what it needs to be. Just because the counter
> is set to 1, doesn't mean that it was already set. Because we are
> dealing with NMIs, that are totally asynchronous, and the race of
> setting the counter and setting the idt.
> 
> Basically, (as you already know) the IST=0 means to use the same stack
> if we hit a breakpoint. But usually it's set to '4' which is an index
> into the TSS to find its per CPU stack.
> 
> If the IST is set to 4, and a breakpoint is hit, then the stack is set
> to a fixed address, even if you are currently using the same stack!
> 
> We need to prevent this from happening. There's two places that this can
> cause issues. The first is in the NMI handler, which is where this code
> was first developed. The idea was to allow NMIs to hit breakpoints. But
> if it were to do that after preempting a debug int3 handler, the
> breakpoint it hit would reset the stack and the NMI would start
> clobbering the stack of the code it preempted.
> 
> The NMI code on entering (and before it is allowed to hit any
> breakpoints) looks at the stack it preempted. If it is a debug stack,
> then it updates the IDT to have the int3 vector have a IST of 0 (keep
> the same stack when triggered). Then if the NMI hits a breakpoint, it
> just continues to use the NMI stack.
> 
> The int3 handler has a little trick that lets the int3 code reuse the
> stack. It modifies the TSS to point to another stack before calling the
> debug handler. If a NMI triggers now, or a breakpoint is hit again, it
> wont corrupt the stack.
> 
> 	subq $EXCEPTION_STKSZ, INIT_TSS_IST(\ist)
> 	call \do_sym
> 	addq $EXCEPTION_STKSZ, INIT_TSS_IST(\ist)
> 
> The debug stack is EXCEPTION_STKSZ * 2 size. Before entering the \do_sym
> (do_int3 in this case), it moves the TSS to point to another stack for
> the int3 handler.
> 
> The problem this patch set is trying to fix is the case for lockdep. The
> macro TRACE_IRQS_ON/OFF calls into lockdep code. And these are outside
> that add/sub TSS trick. If lockdep code hits a breakpoint than we reset
> back to the original stack address, and start clobbering the stack. This
> is the bug that Dave Jones was triggering.
> 
> Now we could do this add/sub TSS trick instead of loading idt for all
> the cases before calling lockdep in the debug handler. But this means
> the paranoid_exit will need to be turned into a macro and we would
> require it for each ist set.
> 
> Now, back to your original question. Why set it if it is already set.
> Well, it doesn't hurt to set it (except for the performance hit we
> take), but it does hurt if we should set it but don't, as that means we
> can reset the stack and clobber what we preempted.
> 
> I'm sure there's room to make this more efficient. But I'm currently
> trying to solve a kernel crash first, and then work on cleaning it up
> later.
> 

Ouch.  This is really way more complex than it has any excuse for being,
and it's the complexity that concerns me, not the performance.

I'd like a chart, or list, of the alternate stack environments we can be
in and what can transfer to what.  I think there might be an easier
solution that is more robust.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.

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