linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/13] memory-hotplug : hot-remove physical memory

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Date:	Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:54:27 +0900
From:	Yasuaki Ishimatsu <isimatu.yasuaki@...fujitsu.com>
To:	Jiang Liu <liuj97@...il.com>
CC:	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>, <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
	<linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
	<linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org>, <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	<len.brown@...el.com>, <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	<paulus@...ba.org>, <minchan.kim@...il.com>,
	<akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	<wency@...fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 0/13] memory-hotplug : hot-remove physical memory

Hi Jiang,

2012/07/11 9:21, Jiang Liu wrote:
> On 07/11/2012 08:09 AM, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
>> Hi Jiang,
>>
>> 2012/07/11 1:50, Jiang Liu wrote:
>>> On 07/10/2012 05:58 PM, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
>>>> Hi Christoph,
>>>>
>>>> 2012/07/10 0:18, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012, Yasuaki Ishimatsu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if you apply these patches, you cannot remove the physical memory
>>>>>> completely since these patches are still under development. I want you to
>>>>>> cooperate to improve the physical memory hot-remove. So please review these
>>>>>> patches and give your comment/idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you at least give a method on how you want to do physical memory
>>>>> removal?
>>>>
>>>> We plan to release a dynamic hardware partitionable system. It will be
>>>> able to hot remove/add a system board which included memory and cpu.
>>>> But as you know, Linux does not support memory hot-remove on x86 box.
>>>> So I try to develop it.
>>>>
>>>> Current plan to hot remove system board is to use container driver.
>>>> Thus I define the system board in ACPI DSDT table as a container device.
>>>> It have supported hot-add a container device. And if container device
>>>> has _EJ0 ACPI method, "eject" file to remove the container device is
>>>> prepared as follow:
>>>>
>>>> # ls -l /sys/bus/acpi/devices/ACPI0004\:01/eject
>>>> --w-------. 1 root root 4096 Jul 10 18:19 /sys/bus/acpi/devices/ACPI0004:01/eject
>>>>
>>>> When I hot-remove the container device, I echo 1 to the file as follow:
>>>>
>>>> #echo 1 > /sys/bus/acpi/devices/ACPI0004\:02/eject
>>>>
>>>> Then acpi_bus_trim() is called. And it calls acpi_memory_device_remove()
>>>> for removing memory device. But the code does not do nothing.
>>>> So I developed the continuation of the function.
>>>>
>>>>> You would have to remove all objects from the range you want to
>>>>> physically remove. That is only possible under special circumstances and
>>>>> with a limited set of objects. Even if you exclusively use ZONE_MOVEABLE
>>>>> you still may get cases where pages are pinned for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> I know it. So my memory hot-remove plan is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1. hot-added a system board
>>>>      All memory which included the system board is offline.
>>>>
>>>> 2. online the memory as removable page
>>>>      The function has not supported yet. It is being developed by Lai as follow:
>>>>      http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1207.0/01478.html
>>>>      If it is supported, I will be able to create movable memory.
>>>>
>>>> 3. hot-remove the memory by container device's eject file
>>> We have implemented a prototype to do physical node (mem + CPU + IOH) hotplug
>>> for Itanium and is now porting it to x86. But with currently solution, memory
>>> hotplug functionality may cause 10-20% performance decrease because we concentrate
>>> all DMA/Normal memory to the first NUMA node, and all other NUMA nodes only
>>> hosts ZONE_MOVABLE. We are working on solution to minimize the performance
>>> drop now.
>>
>> Thank you for your interesting response.
>>
>> I have a question. How do you move all other NUMA nodes to ZONE_MOVABLE?
>> To use ZONE_MOVABLE, we need to use boot options like kernelcore or movablecore.
>> But it is not enough, since the requested amount is spread evenly throughout
>> all nodes in the system. So I think we do not have way to move all other NUMA
>> node to ZONE_MOVABLE.
> We have modified the ZONE_MOVABLE spreading and bootmem allocation. If the kernelcore
> or movablecore kernel parameters are present, we follow current behavior. If those
> parameter are absent and the platform supports physical hotplug, we will concentrate
> DMA/NORMAL memory to specific nodes.

That's interesting. I want to know more details, if you do not mind.
Current kernel doesn't do the behavior, does it? So I think you have some
patches for changing the behavior. Will you merge these patches into
community kernel?

Thanks,
Yasuaki Ishimatsu

>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yasuaki Ishimatsu
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Yasuaki Ishimatsu
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure that these patches are useful unless we know where you are
>>>>> going with this. If we end up with a situation where we still cannot
>>>>> remove physical memory then this patchset is not helpful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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