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Date:	Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:08:28 +0200
From:	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
To:	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@...il.com>
Cc:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay@...y.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Walls <awalls@...metrocast.net>,
	Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...hat.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@...onical.com>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@...ttering.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay@...hat.com>,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@...r.kernel.org>,
	Michael Krufky <mkrufky@...uxtv.org>,
	Ivan Kalvachev <ikalvachev@...il.com>
Subject: Re: udev breakages -

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Felipe Contreras
<felipe.contreras@...il.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
>>> I don't know how to handle the /dev/ptmx issue properly from within
>>> devtmpfs, does anyone?  Proposals are always welcome, the last time this
>>> came up a week or so ago, I don't recall seeing any proposals, just a
>>> general complaint.
>>
>> Is it really a problem - devtmpfs is optional. It's a problem for the
>> userspace folks to handle and if they made it mandatory in their code
>> diddums, someone better go fork working versions.
>
> If only there was a viable alternative to udev.
>
> Distributions are being pushed around by the udev+systemd project
> precisely because of this reason; udev maintainers have said that udev
> on non-systemd systems is a dead end, so everyone that uses udev
> (everyone) is being forced to switch to systemd if they want to
> receive proper support, and at some point there might not be even a
> choice.
>
> I for one would like an alternative to both systemd and udev on my
> Linux systems, and as of yet, I don't know of one.

A few years ago, the OpenWRT people pointed me to hotplug2 when I mentioned
udev made my poor m68k box with 12 MiB of RAM immediately go OOM.
Don't know if it's suitable for "bigger" machines, though.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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