Date:	Fri, 7 Dec 2012 22:49:34 -0200
From:	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@...hat.com>
To:	Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@...hat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Srikar <srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	KVM <kvm@...r.kernel.org>, Jiannan Ouyang <ouyang@...pitt.edu>,
	Chegu Vinod <chegu_vinod@...com>,
	"Andrew M. Theurer" <habanero@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <srivatsa.vaddagiri@...il.com>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 RFC 2/2] kvm: Handle yield_to failure return code for
 potential undercommit case

On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 12:29:02PM +0530, Raghavendra K T wrote:
> On 12/04/2012 01:26 AM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:40:56AM +0530, Raghavendra K T wrote:
> >>On 11/28/2012 06:42 AM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Don't understand the reasoning behind why 3 is a good choice.
> >>
> >>Here is where I came from. (explaining from scratch for
> >>completeness, forgive me :))
> >>In moderate overcommits, we can falsely exit from ple handler even when
> >>we have preempted task of same VM waiting on other cpus. To reduce this
> >>problem, we try few times before exiting.
> >>The problem boils down to:
> >>what is the probability that we exit ple handler even when we have more
> >>than 1 task in other cpus. Theoretical worst case should be around 1.5x
> >>overcommit (As also pointed by Andrew Theurer). [But practical
> >>worstcase may be around 2x,3x overcommits as indicated by the results
> >>for the patch series]
> >>
> >>So if p is the probability of finding rq length one on a particular cpu,
> >>and if we do n tries, then probability of exiting ple handler is:
> >>
> >>  p^(n+1) [ because we would have come across one source with rq length
> >>1 and n target cpu rqs  with length 1 ]
> >>
> >>so
> >>num tries:         probability of aborting ple handler (1.5x overcommit)
> >>  1                 1/4
> >>  2                 1/8
> >>  3                 1/16
> >>
> >>We can increase this probability with more tries, but the problem is
> >>the overhead.
> >>Also, If we have tried three times that means we would have iterated
> >>over 3 good eligible vcpus along with many non-eligible candidates. In
> >>worst case if we iterate all the vcpus, we reduce 1x performance and
> >>overcommit performance get hit. [ as in results ].
> >>
> >>I have tried num_tries = 1,2,3 and n already ( not 4 yet). So I
> >>concluded 3 is enough.
> >>
> >>Infact I have also run kernbench and hackbench which are giving 5-20%
> >>improvement.
> >>
> >>[ As a side note , I also thought how about having num_tries = f(n) =
> >>ceil ( log(num_online_cpus)/2 ) But I thought calculation is too much
> >>overhead and also there is no point in probably making it dependent on
> >>online cpus ]
> >>
> >>Please let me know if you are happy with this rationale/ or correct me
> >>if you foresee some problem. (Infact Avi, Rik's concern about false
> >>exiting made me arrive at 'try' logic which I did not have earlier).
> >>
> >>I am currently trying out the result for 1.5x overcommit will post the
> >>result.
> >
> >Raghavendra
> >
> >Makes sense to me. Thanks.
> >
> 
> Marcelo,
> Do you think this can be considered for next merge window? or you are
> expecting anything else on this patchset.

Nope, not expecting anything else. About merge window, depends on
upstream.

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