Date:	Sat, 8 Jun 2013 00:17:54 +0100
From:	"luke.leighton" <luke.leighton@...il.com>
To:	"Dennis Lan (dlan)" <dennis.yxun@...il.com>
Cc:	Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@...e-electrons.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@...om.net>,
	"jonsmirl@...il.com" <jonsmirl@...il.com>,
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	Stephen Warren <swarren@...dotorg.org>,
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	Linux on small ARM machines 
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Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re:
 Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Dennis Lan (dlan)
<dennis.yxun@...il.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2013, luke.leighton wrote:
>>
>> right - too many people contributed to this, input from jon smirl,
>> wookie, maxime, tomasz, henrik, i've made a start here and will
>> continue editing: this is notes for me to put forward an agenda for
>> discussion:
>>
>> http://hands.com/~lkcl/allwinner_linux_proposal.txt
>>
>> i'm setting a rule that each section *has* to have a list of clear
>> benefits, otherwise it'll have to be removed before it goes on to
>> their Directors.
>>
>> so - even if there are any allwinner engineers reading this who would
>> like something put forward please also speak up! :)
>>
>> l.
>>
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>
>
> Hi luke
>      I'm not a allwinner employer :-)$. but pretty much in the same position
> as they are.

 thanks for chipping in.

>      I'd like to add a few comments about the risk of adopting the device
> tree(from allwinner side)
> 1) current using fdt in bootloader(uboot) is not mature, I'm not saying
> about passing the fdt data to kernel.

 mmmm.... fdt.  could you provide some context here?  what is it?
(apart from being a TLA)

>   But the bootloader itself need information from device tree, say boot0/1
> phase (boot device type, DDR initialization...)
>   since fdt is not ready, and SRAM space is very limited ... I'm afraid
> 'fex' may co-exist with device tree.
>   still, they receive benefits if they can adopt device tree, at least
> minimal the kernel side migration effort
>   Generally this info already been pointed out by steppen warren in previous
> email...

 ... which i have to admit i may have missed the significance of or
possibly just missed it entirely.

 what's the main concern you have, here; what's the potential
solution, and what's the benefit of that potential solution, to
allwinner [direct or indirect]?

> 2) device tree may not been understood by third vendors (who previus produce
> shoes or ? :-$),

 :)

>   they are real old 'Fex' scheme user, they like edit the data in windows
> with dos format
>   So, how to fill this gaps, make them happy? Creat another tool to handle
> device tree modification?
>   Then it's another price they have to pay...

 yehh... that kinda looks unavoidable, although it would ultimately
only inconvenience the developers of the proprietary firmware-flashing
tools [livesuite, phoenix] and so would be transparent to the
factories and so on.  i've mentioned the idea of having an in-kernel
translation tool rather than an external (pre-runtime) one, i've yet
to get some feedback on that.

 l.
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