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Date:	Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
From:	CAI Qian <caiqian@...hat.com>
To:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Cc:	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@...ck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@...dmis.org>
> To: "CAI Qian" <caiqian@...hat.com>
> Cc: "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@...utronix.de>, "Sarah Sharp" <sarah.a.sharp@...ux.intel.com>, "Linus Torvalds"
> <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@...nel.org>, "Guenter Roeck" <linux@...ck-us.net>, "Greg
> Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, "Dave Jones" <davej@...hat.com>, "Linux Kernel Mailing List"
> <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, "stable" <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
> "Darren Hart" <dvhart@...ux.intel.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:47:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review
> 
> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 23:16 -0400, CAI Qian wrote:
> 
> > > So if you talk about abuse, then you need an abuser and a victim. So
> > > your argumentation falls flat because there is no victim.
> > Could victim be someone else in the future since it is an example that
> > people may follow?
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi_underage_prostitution_charges
> > It called "abuse of office" or abuse of the power.
> 
> Wow! You are now comparing Linus to a Prime Minister that has paid
> underage prostitutes for sex?
> 
> That's pretty low.
> 
> What Linus does is not an abuse of power, it's a protection of his baby.
> He created Linux, and although today he's not the one writing the code,
> he is ultimately the front man responsible for the kernel.
Surely Linus has great responsibility, but isn't that every powerful person/organizatio
could tell the same story? Berlusconi has a country to take care of; Jimmy Savile has a
television kingdom to manage; NSA needs to protect world peace etc.
> 
> Think about it. If Linux does something horrible, Linus is the one that
> takes the most blame. That's a HUGE responsibility. Linus has the most
> to lose if Linux becomes crap.
> 
> Not only does Linus have to check on code, he must also dictate policy.
> Which means dealing with different people, and how they work. If someone
> gets lazy and uses his trust to get something whacky in, Linus takes the
> blame for it if that happens. Thus, to prevent people from taking
> advantage of his trust, he has to be hard on them to make sure he can
> keep their trust.
> 
> Linus takes his job seriously. He may joke and name his kernel after
> 90's operating systems, but that's just to make the job more fun. But to
> keep the job, he needs to be a hard ass.
> 
> The few times he's yelled at me, he always did it with a bit of comedy
> and wit. That makes the harsh yelling not so bad, and I actually got a
> chuckle out of it. But I also took the harsh yelling in a way that I had
> better not do that again.
> 
> This is the big leagues folks. You think major league baseball managers
> are nice to their players?
> 
> "You just walked 4 players. That's not good. Keep this up I'll have to
> take you out off the team".
> 
>   vs
> 
> "What the f*ck is wrong with you. Get you head out of your @ss and start
> throwing the ball over the God damn plate before I throw your @ss out of
> this field!"
> 
> They both relay basically the same thing. The first one is nice and
> polite but states that bad things will happen if they keep it up. The
> second is quite harsh (although never calling the person a name), and
> will probably wake the person up and change his game. Which one of those
> tones do you think successful baseball managers use?
> 
> Sometimes tone *does* matter. You want quality from the top maintainers,
> and they start to slack, you can't just treat them like this is a grade
> school sport. Results matter. You want them to understand that this is
> serious and cursing someone out gives that person that feeling.
> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 
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