linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 4/5] cpuidle/ppc: CPU goes tickless if there are no arch-specific constraints

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Date:	Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:33:40 +0530
From:	Preeti U Murthy <preeti@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
CC:	rjw@...k.pl, shangw@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, arnd@...db.de,
	linux-pm@...r.kernel.org, geoff@...radead.org, rostedt@...dmis.org,
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	schwidefsky@...ibm.com, john.stultz@...aro.org, tglx@...utronix.de,
	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, chenhui.zhao@...escale.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/5] cpuidle/ppc: CPU goes tickless if there are no
 arch-specific constraints

Hi Frederic,

On 07/25/2013 07:00 PM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 02:33:02PM +0530, Preeti U Murthy wrote:
>> In the current design of timer offload framework, the broadcast cpu should
>> *not* go into tickless idle so as to avoid missed wakeups on CPUs in deep idle states.
>>
>> Since we prevent the CPUs entering deep idle states from programming the lapic of the
>> broadcast cpu for their respective next local events for reasons mentioned in
>> PATCH[3/5], the broadcast CPU checks if there are any CPUs to be woken up during
>> each of its timer interrupt programmed to its local events.
>>
>> With tickless idle, the broadcast CPU might not get a timer interrupt till after
>> many ticks which can result in missed wakeups on CPUs in deep idle states. By
>> disabling tickless idle, worst case, the tick_sched hrtimer will trigger a
>> timer interrupt every period to check for broadcast.
>>
>> However the current setup of tickless idle does not let us make the choice
>> of tickless on individual cpus. NOHZ_MODE_INACTIVE which disables tickless idle,
>> is a system wide setting. Hence resort to an arch specific call to check if a cpu
>> can go into tickless idle.
> 
> Hi Preeti,
> 
> I'm not exactly sure why you can't enter the broadcast CPU in dynticks idle mode.
> I read in the previous patch that's because in dynticks idle mode the broadcast
> CPU deactivates its lapic so it doesn't receive the IPI. But may be I misunderstood.
> Anyway that's not good for powersaving.
> 
> Also when an arch wants to prevent a CPU from entering dynticks idle mode, it typically
> use arch_needs_cpu(). May be that could fit for you as well?

Yes this will suit our requirement perfectly. I will note down this
change for the next version of this patchset. Thank you very much for
pointing this out :)

Regards
Preeti U Murthy

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