Date:	Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:21:23 +0100
From:	Vladimir Murzin <murzin.v@...il.com>
To:	Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.cz>
Cc:	linux-mm@...ck.org, Greg Thelen <gthelen@...gle.com>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@...il.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Joern Engel <joern@...fs.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: user defined OOM policies

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 02:40:07PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
Hi Michal
> On Tue 19-11-13 14:14:00, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
> > We have basically ended up with 3 options AFAIR:
> > 	1) allow memcg approach (memcg.oom_control) on the root level
> >            for both OOM notification and blocking OOM killer and handle
> >            the situation from the userspace same as we can for other
> > 	   memcgs.
> 
> This looks like a straightforward approach as the similar thing is done
> on the local (memcg) level. There are several problems though.
> Running userspace from within OOM context is terribly hard to do
> right. This is true even in the memcg case and we strongly discurage
> users from doing that. The global case has nothing like outside of OOM
> context though. So any hang would blocking the whole machine. Even
> if the oom killer is careful and locks in all the resources it would
> have hard time to query the current system state (existing processes
> and their states) without any allocation.  There are certain ways to
> workaround these issues - e.g. give the killer access to memory reserves
> - but this all looks scary and fragile.
> 
> > 	2) allow modules to hook into OOM killer path and take the
> > 	   appropriate action.
> 
> This already exists actually. There is oom_notify_list callchain and
> {un}register_oom_notifier that allow modules to hook into oom and
> skip the global OOM if some memory is freed. There are currently only
> s390 and powerpc which seem to abuse it for something that looks like a
> shrinker except it is done in OOM path...
> 
> I think the interface should be changed if something like this would be
> used in practice. There is a lot of information lost on the way. I would
> basically expect to get everything that out_of_memory gets.

Some time ago I was trying to hook OOM with custom module based policy. I
needed to select process based on uss/pss values which required page walking
(yes, I know it is extremely expensive, but sometimes I'd pay the bill). The
learned lesson is quite simple - it is harmful to expose (all?) internal
functions and locking into modules - the result is going to be completely
unreliable and non predictable mess, unless the well defined interface and
helpers will be established. 

> 
> > 	3) create a generic filtering mechanism which could be
> > 	   controlled from the userspace by a set of rules (e.g.
> > 	   something analogous to packet filtering).
> 
> This looks generic enough but I have no idea about the complexity.

Never thought about it, but just wonder which input and output supposed to
have for this filtering mechanism?

Vladimir
> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
> 
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