linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH 4/8] Drivers: scsi: storvsc: Filter WRITE_SAME

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Date:	Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:43:43 +0000
From:	"Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)" <Elliott@...com>
To:	James Bottomley <jbottomley@...allels.com>,
	"martin.petersen@...cle.com" <martin.petersen@...cle.com>
CC:	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"hch@...radead.org" <hch@...radead.org>,
	"devel@...uxdriverproject.org" <devel@...uxdriverproject.org>,
	"apw@...onical.com" <apw@...onical.com>,
	"kys@...rosoft.com" <kys@...rosoft.com>,
	"stable@...r.kernel.org" <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>,
	"ohering@...e.com" <ohering@...e.com>,
	"jasowang@...hat.com" <jasowang@...hat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 4/8] Drivers: scsi: storvsc: Filter WRITE_SAME_16



> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-scsi-owner@...r.kernel.org [mailto:linux-scsi-
> owner@...r.kernel.org] On Behalf Of James Bottomley
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: martin.petersen@...cle.com
> Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; hch@...radead.org;
> devel@...uxdriverproject.org; apw@...onical.com; kys@...rosoft.com;
> stable@...r.kernel.org; linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org; ohering@...e.com;
> jasowang@...hat.com
> Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] Drivers: scsi: storvsc: Filter WRITE_SAME_16
> 
> On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 13:47 -0400, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> > >>>>> "Christoph" == hch@...radead org <hch@...radead.org> writes:
> >
> > Christoph> Oh, we actually have devices that support WRITE SAME with
> > Christoph> unmap, but not without?  That's defintively a little strange.
> >
> > Yep :(
> >
> > There were several SSDs that did not want to support wearing out flash
> > by writing gobs of zeroes and only support the UNMAP case.
> >
> > Christoph> Yes, and it did this intentionally.  I really wouldn't expect
> > Christoph> devices to support WRITE SAME with UNMAP but blow up on a
> > Christoph> WRITE SAME without it (and not just simple fail it in an
> > Christoph> orderly way).
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > Christoph> It definitively seems odd to default to trying WRITE SAME for
> > Christoph> unmap for a device that explicitly tells us that it doesn't
> > Christoph> support WRITE SAME.
> >
> > Maybe it's just a naming thing. I was really trying to convey
> > no_req_write_same support, not no_write_same_10_or_16.
> >
> > Christoph> Note that I'm not against your patch - I suspect forcing us
> > Christoph> to read EVPD pages even for devices that claim to be SPC-2
> > Christoph> will come in useful in various scenarios.
> >
> > I don't have a problem with a BLIST_PREFER_UNMAP flag or something like
> > that. But BLIST_TRY_VPD_PAGES seems more generally useful and it does
> > fix the problem at hand. That's why I went that route.
> 
> Hang on ... unless we apply Christoph or my fix, we'll get the same
> issue with every raid driver (that's about 10 I think) that set
> no_write_same when they hit a >2TB RAID volume, so I think we need both
> fixes.
> 
> James
> 

WRITE SAME with the UNMAP bit set to one (and a few other
conditions) guarantees that the data is zeroed out, while
the UNMAP command is just a hint.  They're not fully
interchangeable.  Which semantics are implied by REQ_DISCARD
and these functions?

One benefit of UNMAP is that UNMAP supports a list of 
discontiguous LBA ranges, whereas WRITE SAME just supports 
one LBA range.  sd_setup_discard_cmnd is not taking
advantage of this feature, though.  Ideally, the block
layer would merge multiple discards into one UNMAP command 
if they're stuck on the request queue for a while, like 
it merges adjacent reads and writes.  That would pave the way
for building up WRITE SCATTERED and READ GATHERED commands.


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